New Stadium Proxy capturing technology really impressed me...

[nightlight]

... I really liked the tones on this video, sounds damn good.




Still the early days though. But based on laptop audio, other than sounding a bit more gainy/gritty, I liked it a lot.

Now I have to figure out whether I should get a Stadium or the Quad Cortex, and I'm leaning towards the former for more FX and routing options.

 

[rdunawawy]

I can see why the extra effects and routing would tip the balance. One thing worth separating from that decision is the extra gain/grit you mentioned: a Proxy clone captures the source at a particular setting, rather than recreating every knob on the original amp. For a useful comparison, match the playback levels and listen to pick attack and how it cleans up as you roll the guitar volume down. A louder capture can be pretty misleading.

This overview explains the capture types and has a practical setup checklist if you're weighing up that part of Stadium: https://helixguitar.com/articles/helix-stadium-proxy-cloning-guide?ref=RT

 

[chumbucket]

Now I have to figure out whether I should get a Stadium or the Quad Cortex, and I'm leaning towards the former for more FX and routing options.

No consideration of the Axe FX III ? Soon to have NAM implementation and already has the best effects and I/O routing.

 

[VonBonfire]

Oh yuck, digital.

"Changes everything"=my video is pure marketing bullshit.

 

[thegame]

Oh yuck, digital.

"Changes everything"=my video is pure marketing bullshit.

New tech and advancements sometimes do change everything but the problem is that wheel will never stop spinning. It’s the proverbial dragon eating its own tail syndrome. Always something “better” around the corner.

 

[VonBonfire]

New tech and advancements sometimes do change everything but the problem is that wheel will never stop spinning. It’s the proverbial dragon eating its own tail syndrome. Always something “better” around the corner.

It's all marketing bs. Digital offers convenience, not tonal improvement vs a good tube amp. I've been hearing the "so close" remarks since the Johnson Millenium and Roland cube. 25 years later they are still saying the same stuff.

 

[nightlight]

No consideration of the Axe FX III ? Soon to have NAM implementation and already has the best effects and I/O routing.

I have an FXIII and looking forward to seeing NAM profiles on it. Killed my GAS for other gear for the time being.

 

[Shevek]

It's all marketing bs. Digital offers convenience, not tonal improvement vs a good tube amp. I've been hearing the "so close" remarks since the Johnson Millenium and Roland cube. 25 years later they are still saying the same stuff.

More than "so close", it's not discernible from a recorded tube amp. I would guarantee you couldn't repeatedly identify a recording of a tube amp vs profiler or modeler.

 

[chumbucket]

It's all marketing bs. Digital offers convenience, not tonal improvement vs a good tube amp. I've been hearing the "so close" remarks since the Johnson Millenium and Roland cube. 25 years later they are still saying the same stuff.

You have to admit that there's a time and place for it though. You could make a NAM profile of your cranked up Twin with a dirt pedal in front and use that for practicing in a hotel room or late at night when your old lady is sleeping, etc.
It isn't the be-all end-all, just another tool in the toolbox.

 

[japetus]

You have to admit that there's a time and place for it though. You could make a NAM profile of your cranked up Twin with a dirt pedal in front and use that for practicing in a hotel room or late at night when your old lady is sleeping, etc.
It isn't the be-all end-all, just another tool in the toolbox.

Or after cranking your old lady in a hotel room at night

 

[VonBonfire]

More than "so close", it's not discernible from a recorded tube amp. I would guarantee you couldn't repeatedly identify a recording of a tube amp vs profiler or modeler.

I don't doubt you at all bro but I'm talking about having to actually play a given rig. I will likely know the difference starting with no toggelz or jewel lights.

 

[VonBonfire]

You have to admit that there's a time and place for it though. You could make a NAM profile of your cranked up Twin with a dirt pedal in front and use that for practicing in a hotel room or late at night when your old lady is sleeping, etc.
It isn't the be-all end-all, just another tool in the toolbox.

I like practicing unplugged at home for the most part and only hit the on switch when I'm testing new gear or it's showtime. The time and place for it for me is in some other guy's rig. I would probably fire the 2nd guitarist if he insisted on using a digital based amp because like those big furry winter hats I just hate the sight of them. He wouldn't ever do that though, because he also doesn't like modeling gear. No toggelz=no deal.

 

[rsm]

Haven't used Proxy yet; no plans to use it either. I'm disappointed that Line 6 isn't planning to support NAM A2, so far.

IDK if knowing this when I sold my Helix Floor and got the Stadium XL would have changed my decision. Especially seeing how Headrush, and even NUX, Hotone, etc. are supporting or plan to support it...then add Fractal supporting it....

Headrush added NAM A2 support to most of its current product line with a recent, free, firmware update.

Maybe the market needs to teach Line 6 a lesson they need?

 

[glpg80]

There’s a grittiness going on that I can’t point out if it’s the preamp tubes used in the amps captured or is just digitally added after capture. Whatever it is I absolutely despise it.

 

[Shask]

I tried some popular Proxy clones I downloaded in the Stadium Native software. They were OK, but nowhere near as good as NAM A2 or ToneX for the heavy sounds I like.

 

[chumbucket]

Haven't used Proxy yet; no plans to use it either. I'm disappointed that Line 6 isn't planning to support NAM A2, so far.

IDK if knowing this when I sold my Helix Floor and got the Stadium XL would have changed my decision. Especially seeing how Headrush, and even NUX, Hotone, etc. are supporting or plan to support it...then add Fractal supporting it....

Headrush added NAM A2 support to most of its current product line with a recent, free, firmware update.

Maybe the market needs to teach Line 6 a lesson they need?

I think Fractal just forced Line6's hand. They don't really have a choice anymore, do they? It's a matter of when, and not if, now. It doesn't matter if Proxy can be theoretically better than NAM in the future, they'll have to implement it because NAM is going to be EVERYWHERE.