Official Mesa IIC++ Reissue?

[vultures]

- Looks like the reverb can’t be switched out unless you plug in the foot switch? I might want it switched out vs putting the pot to 0.

On all my reverb equipped IIC+'s the Reverb was seemingly "always on". Clicked on it was loud and proud. Clicked off you could still hear the springiness, especially if you were heavily gated and playing riffs with pauses. Cheesed me off enough to keep my reverb on 0 for all of them.

 

[JDs Couch]

On all my reverb equipped IIC+'s the Reverb was seemingly "always on". Clicked on it was loud and proud. Clicked off you could still hear the springiness, especially if you were heavily gated and playing riffs with pauses. Cheesed me off enough to keep my reverb on 0 for all of them.

I don't notice that on mine.

 

[Les Zombie]

I talked to musicans friend last week because i reserved one of these amps months ago but the guy i delt with said his computer was showing a september delivery, so i talked to him again today and he said now showing october delivery, i said the amps are supposed to release on july 15th from what others have been saying, and he told me a mesa rep told him that the orders are gonna be cancelled completely and thats why the dates keep changing which seemed strange.

The day i placed the original order with the salesman he said they was supposed to get close to 30 amps and less than 20 people was on the list, i think i was the 19th person on the list at the time, honestly i think my salesman must be confused somehow because nobody else has reported anything about september and october deliverys, i also told him dealers has them in their shops already but cant ship them yet, i asked him to check if MF has them in the warehouse but he said his computers dont show them in their possession. im doubtful i ever get my amp tbh.

If somebody in this thread who placed a order with musicians friend could call your sales guy and ask if orders are being delayed or cancelled. Maybe then i could have a better idea if this sales guy i spoke to knows what hes talking about.

 

[Tone Monster]

Musicians friend is no friend at all…

 

[Faded Abyss]

I talked to musicans friend last week because i reserved one of these amps months ago but the guy i delt with said his computer was showing a september delivery, so i talked to him again today and he said now showing october delivery, i said the amps are supposed to release on july 15th from what others have been saying, and he told me a mesa rep told him that the orders are gonna be cancelled completely and thats why the dates keep changing which seemed strange.

The day i placed the original order with the salesman he said they was supposed to get close to 30 amps and less than 20 people was on the list, i think i was the 19th person on the list at the time, honestly i think my salesman must be confused somehow because nobody else has reported anything about september and october deliverys, im doubtful i ever get my amp tbh.

If somebody in this thread who placed an order with musicians friend could call your sales guy and ask if orders are being delayed or cancelled. Maybe then i could have a better idea if this sales guy i spoke to knows what hes talking about.

I got a similar story from Sweetwater. Sweetwater usually takes care of me and has really pulled through, so they are still my go to.

The issue is being “put on a list”. Vintage King is probably the worst… to get my 2C++, I looked for a place that I could pay in full, up front so I went with Lark Guitars and they were great. If anything were to go wrong, I made sure to use PayPal

 

[Exo-metal]

On all my reverb equipped IIC+'s the Reverb was seemingly "always on". Clicked on it was loud and proud. Clicked off you could still hear the springiness, especially if you were heavily gated and playing riffs with pauses. Cheesed me off enough to keep my reverb on 0 for all of them.

Reverb bleed, you are correct and that is why all mine are non reverb models.

 

[Faded Abyss]

On all my reverb equipped IIC+'s the Reverb was seemingly "always on". Clicked on it was loud and proud. Clicked off you could still hear the springiness, especially if you were heavily gated and playing riffs with pauses. Cheesed me off enough to keep my reverb on 0 for all of them.

That’s strange to me. I don’t know how the wiring works an amplifiers, but my guess is that the foot switch is going engage a relay, which will the reroute the signal to bypass the reverb circuit all together through dry contacts. In other words, there would be no possibility for 2 different reverb sounds to go through because it will either be fully on or FULLY bypassed.

I suppose there is the possibility of the springs vibration makes noises that find their way into the circuit?

Curious if any schematic nerds or designers would shed light

 

[hellzington]

I talked to musicans friend last week because i reserved one of these amps months ago but the guy i delt with said his computer was showing a september delivery, so i talked to him again today and he said now showing october delivery, i said the amps are supposed to release on july 15th from what others have been saying, and he told me a mesa rep told him that the orders are gonna be cancelled completely and thats why the dates keep changing which seemed strange.

The day i placed the original order with the salesman he said they was supposed to get close to 30 amps and less than 20 people was on the list, i think i was the 19th person on the list at the time, honestly i think my salesman must be confused somehow because nobody else has reported anything about september and october deliverys, i also told him dealers has them in their shops already but cant ship them yet, i asked him to check if MF has them in the warehouse but he said his computers dont show them in their possession. im doubtful i ever get my amp tbh.

If somebody in this thread who placed a order with musicians friend could call your sales guy and ask if orders are being delayed or cancelled. Maybe then i could have a better idea if this sales guy i spoke to knows what hes talking about.

My Sweetwater rep called me to sell and ship me mine a few weeks ago, but he got stopped by the POS system which said he couldn't sell it until July 15.

 

[hellzington]

My Sweetwater rep called me to sell and ship me mine a few weeks ago, but he got stopped by the POS system which said he couldn't sell it until July 15.

To be clear: he said it had arrived there in the warehouse.

 

[thegame]

My Sweetwater rep called me to sell and ship me mine a few weeks ago, but he got stopped by the POS system which said he couldn't sell it until July 15.

Mesa instigated a last minute recall because a few amps snuck past quality control that weren’t oscillating ENOUGH. Gotta make them consistent!

 

[Les Zombie]

To be clear: he said it had arrived there in the warehouse.

I shoulda ordered with sweetwater instead of MF, thanks for the update. I have doubts i will ever get the amp from MF, they dont seem to be very informed. I have my confirmation showing i placed the order but when i call them they tell me theres delays and bullshit.

 

[Tonelover]

I asked my SW rep about the Sept/Oct rumor I read about here. Said he had heard the same rumor but nothing factual. Mine is sitting there with my name on it, we're hoping they are able to release July 15 as expected.

 

[Faded Abyss]

Hmmm. Maybe I’m not supposed to have mine? If I were a YouTuber, I’d be a very lucky man haha

 

[Tonelover]

Hmmm. Maybe I’m not supposed to have mine? If I were a YouTuber, I’d be a very lucky man haha

You're not supposed to have it yet. How's it sound though? Now's a good time to flip it if you're not in love.

 

[BABMusic]

Mesa really screwed this up.

 

[IronSean]

Re ++ vs +, it's very similar to the Mid-gain vs Harmonics mode on the Mark IV, engaging a similar cap that causes a mid frequency boost. There are a few other changes to the circuit but that's the core of it.

The reverb quirks are because it's a reissue of an old design, warts and all. If they'd changed the reverb setup people would complain they modified the circuit.

But I agree that despite there being some factory ++ models that weren't switchable, having a switchable +/++ would have been far better and I'm dreading they say they announce that limited reissue. The triode/pentode switch mentioned above would have also been nice.

July 15th is the official release, but a lot of the amps are ready at warehouses now. This is probably because they want the whole run to be ready to ship by launch and they want the various YouTubers and review outlets to have chances to produce content for launch.

The ones for our dealer in Canada are also sitting at a warehouse in the US waiting for the tariffs to hopefully drop before importing to Canada.

 

[Faded Abyss]

If only they had a version that switched from regular power amp to simul-class (instead of class A), switchable from ++ to + and omit the reverb. Maybe that was one of the old variations? I’m willing to bet they don’t do that though

 

[vultures]

That’s strange to me. I don’t know how the wiring works an amplifiers, but my guess is that the foot switch is going engage a relay, which will the reroute the signal to bypass the reverb circuit all together through dry contacts. In other words, there would be no possibility for 2 different reverb sounds to go through because it will either be fully on or FULLY bypassed.

I suppose there is the possibility of the springs vibration makes noises that find their way into the circuit?

Curious if any schematic nerds or designers would shed light

The reverb circuit on the II's were always noisy and apparently a well known problem. Mesa used to mod them, changing up some resistors and ground placements. Out of the tracing's I've seen online, there's a bunch of differences on the Reverb Return & Drive Stage (V3A & V4B) cathode bypass area and location of reverb input IIRC. These amps really were all hand made and tweaked randomly throughout the years either in factory, later by Mike B or by authorized techs. So much weird shit has happened to these things over the past 40 years.

I used to build all-in-one footswitches for these amps. I got tired of having two pedals to control channel, reverb & EQ and also having them in different orientations. I only traced my DRG enough to see if I could draw power off the EQ/Reverb jack for LED indicators like you can for the channel switching. You can't. Ended up using battery and dc jacks for LED indicators. AFAIK hitting the footswitch for turning the reverb off is equivalent of putting the volume knob down to 0, not completely turning/switching it off. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[IronSean]

If only they had a version that switched from regular power amp to simul-class (instead of class A), switchable from ++ to + and omit the reverb. Maybe that was one of the old variations? I’m willing to bet they don’t do that though

They offered a 60-watt pentode (S), 60/100-watt pentode (H), and 75-watt SimulClass (Pentode Class AB mixed with Triode Class A) (D) which is the first character in the model designation you see peopleention (DRG SimulClass Reverb GEQ, HR 200w Reverb, etc).

The JP-2C is the 60/100 model, and the other reissues are SimulClass but wired fully in pentode instead of triode for some reason.

 

[PBGas]

The ones for our dealer in Canada are also sitting at a warehouse in the US waiting for the tariffs to hopefully drop before importing to Canada.

L&M, being the distributor up here won’t be importing those for quite some time until the tariff issues are resolved. We got word of this over a meeting last week. We were told what we have currently in stock through the chain is what is available. That being said said if all of this crap is resolved then they will start moving. Hope you get yours sooner than later!