One last time...Triple Recto content...is it an SLO??

[Racerxrated]

So, I've tried some Rectos. Hated the single I had 10 yrs ago, and recently grabbed an early Rev G with small logo..better, but the low end tubby thing, can't deal with it.
Read about Triples being tighter and thought wth...grabbed a Rev G with attached cord and black front. Holy shit.

I've said that the Deliverance 60/120 gave me an SLO vibe, more so the 60...but this Triple could easily be mistaken for any of the 3 SLOs I had. When I boost it on the Red and give it some volume, like 11-1 it is so close to my last SLO it's scary. This is through a traditional Mesa cab, maybe through a Recto cab it would be quite different. But here's the thing...with the mids dialed back to 8am or so, boosted it's still not scooped sounding at all. Plenty of mids, I know the OD1X is mid heavy but I can scoop a Marshall easier than this amp. I know the Recto is a close copy of the SLO in the Pre section but when you push that volume up there, man I think a lot of you would be hard pressed to tell the difference.
Way way tighter than the last dual I had, this amp also showed up with great glass...middle 4 p tubes are Winged C 6L6 and outer 2 are TAD, and the pre tubes are a mix of vintage and EH/JJs. Rect tubes are the coke bottles. Maybe the glass is the biggest reason for the tone? My first triple so...who knows.
But one things for sure, ain't no fizziness in this amp.....
All the things I disliked about Rectos, don't exist with the triple.
Fun amp!

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

I've owned a few... including several early ones sub #500 serial... and I really, really like the current multi-watt Triple the most. It's tighter, more focused, and more responsive. Brighter overall sounding too. I still like to boost the front with an od... but its the best Recto Ive played/owned. Lots of changes in the early ones... really hard to compare to the later and current versions. This is a theme with Mesa in general. They've built a lot of amps over the years.

 

[Beandust]

Clips? Would love to hear it with the slo vibe mentioned

 

[SpiderWars]

Do a loop test, that will tell you if its an SLO.

The two things you mentioned about it are the two things that ime standout about Winged C 6L6s. Tighter with more mids.

 

[Racerxrated]

Do a loop test, that will tell you if its an SLO.

The two things you mentioned about it are the two things that ime standout about Winged C 6L6s. Tighter with more mids.

Damn!! forgot about the loop test...


I have Winged Cs in my Marshalls, but first time with the 6L6s. Maybe I'll throw them into the C++...Of course that has Sylvanias...

 

[Racerxrated]

Clips? Would love to hear it with the slo vibe mentioned

All I have is my phone, and I get the SLO vibe at some pretty high volume which would probably sound terrible through the phone, overload the shit out of it...

 

[Beandust]

Clips? Would love to hear it with the slo vibe mentioned

All I have is my phone, and I get the SLO vibe at some pretty high volume which would probably sound terrible through the phone, overload the shit out of it...

Ahh gotcha. Always wondered about the el34 non scooped tones of the TRE. I bet it is massive

 

[Racerxrated]

Clips? Would love to hear it with the slo vibe mentioned

All I have is my phone, and I get the SLO vibe at some pretty high volume which would probably sound terrible through the phone, overload the shit out of it...

Ahh gotcha. Always wondered about the el34 non scooped tones of the TRE. I bet it is massive

They're Winged C 6L6..this thing is so midrangy I don't know if I'd want to even try 34s lol

 

[godgrinder]

Well...
https://youtu.be/0N_UpOeYGVo?t=2h17m37s

 

[Racerxrated]

Well...
https://youtu.be/0N_UpOeYGVo?t=2h17m37s

I always knew the 5150/Recto circuits were pretty much SLO rip offs. But, until today neither amp really resembled the SLO in any way when I've played them in the past. Especially the 5150. It's the power section of this triple, that gives it the bloom similar to the SLOs I've played. At lower volumes it doesn't but damn, when that volume gets up there it's very similar. Not the same, but really close. I was expecting a scooped metal machine but I'm pleasantly surprised.

 

[CrazyNutz]

The rectos have a nearly identical SLO rip off in the preamp section. The main difference is weaker transformers, and filtering, and the older ones had no negative feedback in the gain channel. The newer three channel rectos have a switch that controls the negative feedback raw/vintage/modern these you can probably get sounding closer to SLO.

 

[Snave]

The old Rectifiers can get much closer to SLO lead tone than most people realize. I got my 2 channel Dual Recto sounding almost identical to my old SLO in the room (on vintage red mode with higher treble and gain settings than the SLO). Only real tone difference at moderate volume was the Soldano had an extra bit of spongy low mids/bass on palm mutes that the Mesa is missing. The difference is slightly more noticeable when mic'd.

Here's a blind test of mid-gain and high gain.

...and the older ones had no negative feedback in the gain channel.

That's not true at all. Both channels have modes with negative feedback on even the oldest Rectifiers. Only modern mode removes negative feedback.

 

[Mailman1971]

Well...
https://youtu.be/0N_UpOeYGVo?t=2h17m37s

Wow. That was great.

 

[Racerxrated]

The old Rectifiers can get much closer to SLO lead tone than most people realize. I got my 2 channel Dual Recto sounding almost identical to my old SLO in the room (on vintage red mode with higher treble and gain settings than the SLO). Only real tone difference at moderate volume was the Soldano had an extra bit of spongy low mids/bass on palm mutes that the Mesa is missing. The difference is slightly more noticeable when mic'd.

Here's a blind test of mid-gain and high gain.

...and the older ones had no negative feedback in the gain channel.

That's not true at all. Both channels have modes with negative feedback on even the oldest Rectifiers. Only modern mode removes negative feedback.

This Triple is a Rev G, serial 74XX, attached power cord. Probably from 95 or so. I think the only way anyone could really scoop this thing for metal is with an EQ in the loop. Honestly, this thing is as tight as a frogs ass.

 

[harddriver]

I think early to mid 90's is the magic years with the two channel recto's, I read the new multi watts are re-voiced less NU-metal more like the early Rectos. I bought one because of the Kings X album that TY Tabor played one, I liked that tone, but now I look back it was probably a mid 90's recto he used, hence the magic years theory postulation

I had a 2000/01 three channel Dual back in 2001 and at first I liked then I hated it, it ate rectifier tubes and really seemed unreliable. I sold it a kept playing my marshalls, I tired a Mark III modded to C+ that had a 105 PT a few years ago and really found that I am just not a Mesa Boogie player.

 

[Racerxrated]

I think early to mid 90's is the magic years with the two channel recto's, I read the new multi watts are re-voiced less NU-metal more like the early Rectos. I bought one because of the Kings X album that TY Tabor played one, I liked that tone, but now I look back it was probably a mid 90's recto he used, hence the magic years theory postulation

I had a 2000/01 three channel Dual back in 2001 and at first I liked then I hated it, it ate rectifier tubes and really seemed unreliable. I sold it a kept playing my marshalls, I tired a Mark III modded to C+ that had a 105 PT a few years ago and really found that I am just not a Mesa Boogie player.

I think Ty Tabor used one for Dogman, which I believe was 92 or 93. So it probably was an early one, pre Rev G. I sold my Mark IIIs pretty quickly, but when I tried a Mk 2C+ it was over. They are worth the price of admission IMO. And I'm a Marshall guy. In fact I'd say this Rev G Triple is more satisfying than either Mk III I had. But the C+ is unique.

 

[CrazyNutz]

...and the older ones had no negative feedback in the gain channel.

That's not true at all. Both channels have modes with negative feedback on even the oldest Rectifiers. Only modern mode removes negative feedback.

The red channel on the old 2 chan rectos DOES NOT have negative feedback, this is why they run a fake presence control, that is just a high cut filter after the tone stack. Only the orange channel has NFB. But of course you can set the orange chan to be high gain.

Anyhow your sound clips do sound very similar, you were clearly able to get it to sound like a SLO.

Personally I like the old 2 channel rectos better.

 

[Racerxrated]

Just a follow up on day 2. Orange cloned to Modern is a hair thicker sounding with the same settings, definitely more metal than Red Modern to my ears. But when I say it reminds me of an SLO, it's really scary how close it is in the articulation/clarity department. The Triple power section must mirror the SLO a lot more than the Dual. Honestly if I had tried out a triple 10 yrs ago I'd have played it ever since. That low end tubby thing, It doesn't happen until I get the Bass up to 10am or more. On the 2 Dual Rev Gs I had, with the bass off it was still there even with different boost pedals.
Maybe I just got lucky with a great one?
Either way I'm a believer. I have the mids set at 8am and there's still plenty to cut with.

 

[acalaf]

The old Rectifiers can get much closer to SLO lead tone than most people realize. I got my 2 channel Dual Recto sounding almost identical to my old SLO in the room (on vintage red mode with higher treble and gain settings than the SLO). Only real tone difference at moderate volume was the Soldano had an extra bit of spongy low mids/bass on palm mutes that the Mesa is missing. The difference is slightly more noticeable when mic'd.

Here's a blind test of mid-gain and high gain.

...and the older ones had no negative feedback in the gain channel.

That's not true at all. Both channels have modes with negative feedback on even the oldest Rectifiers. Only modern mode removes negative feedback.

That clip sounds great. It really is uncanny how similar they sound. Would you care to share the results as to which is which amp? The second one sounds less compressed in the mids to my ear. Thanks.

 

[harddriver]

My three channel Dual Recto wasn't tight at all and it was a fizzy mess on the gain but it was the age of NUMETAL in 2000/01. Skoora just picked up a 90's Tremoverb and it is pretty good sounding IMO. I imagine this is similar to what your Triple sounds like hey Racer...