overrated gear :D

[killertone]

I can say that the most overrated piece of gear I have actually owned is hands down the Diezel Herbert. Not saying it is a bad piece of gear because it's not, but definitely overrated.

Big claim, mate... I'd be interested to hear the full story on this one

V.

No joke. Maybe you bought one used and the tubes were going out or something else was wrong with it? I can see saying-"not my kind of thing" but not, "the most overrated piece of gear I have actually owned."

Man, not sure what to say about this...besides that it is absofuckinlutely ridiculous. Herberts are exclaimed by many people to be the be all end all amp, just read the Diezel forum at any time! I bought one based on countless remarks just like that on this and other forums. I also played one before and thought it was cool. Wanted to spend some time with it to make up my own mind so I bought one. It did not live up to the hype, hence, it was overrated. It's fairly simple really.

I changed tubes countless times in it, finally settled on 4 EL34s and 2 6550s. Sounded good, not great. I even called another Diezel owner and friend of mine who posts here to ask him if I was missing something. My opinion is not based on some sort of conjecture, but actual research and experimentation by me. Owned the amp for 6 months.

Never have I ever said "it sucked" or that it was "bad." I wouldn't say that about the amp because it is not true. It just did not live up to its hype.

Specifically, the amp did not live up to the hype about the tightness of the low end. Before and after I bought the amp I went on the Diezel forum and people told me "not sure why you would need the low end any tighter than a Hernert. It is one of thightest amps out there." A surgically tight low end is paramount for me and the Herbert doesn't have it. I actually think a VH4 on Ch. 3 is tighter and is actually more my thing. I have an amp in my arsenal that totally dominated the Herbert in the tight low end department.

It is hilarious to me that when you offer an informed opinion about an amp in a thread where an opinion is specifically asked for that you are a hater, or, and this is my favorite, "maybe you didn't know what you were doing and had bad tubes." Um, nope. I know what I am doing just fine, thanks.

It also seems that more than a few people feel the same in this here thread. More haters and people who have no clue how to dial in an amp?

I still get positive emails fairly consistently about the Herbert video that I made. It has gotten close to 6,000 views and I think it has actually sold some Herberts. Would a hater do that?

Didn't mean anything personal. Should have formed my statement as a question. More like, "how much time and consideration did you give it, did you check the bias/tubes?" Now that I know you definitely put sufficient time into it-I understand where you are coming from. Again-nothing personal. Just personally enjoy Diezels (including the Herbert). Although purchasing new is simply insane.

I never claimed that you said it sucked or anything. Didn't believe you were in the wrong in any way.

It's all good, man. I wasn't going after you really, just the widespread perception that if someone doesn't like an amp then it was either their fault or they are a hater to begin with. Thankfully I didn't buy a new Herbert, got one used for a decent deal. There is no doubt Diezels are fine amps and built extremely well.

 

[killertone]

Bare knuckle painkiller pickup. I really hated it.

What did you hate about the Painkiller? Have you heard the Aftermath? supposedly it cleans up some of the "quirks" that the PK had...

I think the problem is that I have always been an EMG 81, 89, 0r 85 type of guy. I tried the Painkiller at the recommendation of a friend. He said it is the closest passive pickup to an 81. I tried it. Seemed way hot if I remember right but dull to me. Didn't have the bite I wanted in a certain frequency. I honestly have forget most of the specifics about what I didn't like about it. I really wanted to like it too in order to get off of the active bottle.

I usually dial my rigs to suit one guitar in particular(my main player) and make minor adjustments according to what EMG equipped guitar I am playing. I would like to try other BK products but honestly I am content with EMG.

My same friend said my rig sounds fantastic and he hates EMG's after using them in the past. He goes thru pickups like water. He revisited the EMG 81 and liked it but that really does not mean shit.


I am sure there are plenty of other pickups that would suit my needs but I am lazy.

See, I love my PK's and absolutely hate EMGs. Different strokes...

 

[Nico]

I can say that the most overrated piece of gear I have actually owned is hands down the Diezel Herbert. Not saying it is a bad piece of gear because it's not, but definitely overrated.

Yep, overrated and overpriced.

I don't think the Herbert is overpriced considering the build quality and features. Liking the tone is a different issue.

For instance you play a Marsha, I absolutelly LOVE your tone, clips and that amp is on my wishlist. BUT in my opinion I feel its way overpriced as well, its a single channel amp for 3300 starting point without covering all the options, the circuit is a modded Marshall with better components, some which are part of the Metro kit... But you are paying for Dave Friedmans knowledge on how to make good sounding amps, and the supply is low... the same happens with Diezels...

 

[Mr. Willy]

Most modern high-gain amps.

 

[The Hoff]

I can say that the most overrated piece of gear I have actually owned is hands down the Diezel Herbert. Not saying it is a bad piece of gear because it's not, but definitely overrated.

Big claim, mate... I'd be interested to hear the full story on this one

V.

No joke. Maybe you bought one used and the tubes were going out or something else was wrong with it? I can see saying-"not my kind of thing" but not, "the most overrated piece of gear I have actually owned."

Man, not sure what to say about this...besides that it is absofuckinlutely ridiculous. Herberts are exclaimed by many people to be the be all end all amp, just read the Diezel forum at any time! I bought one based on countless remarks just like that on this and other forums. I also played one before and thought it was cool. Wanted to spend some time with it to make up my own mind so I bought one. It did not live up to the hype, hence, it was overrated. It's fairly simple really.

I changed tubes countless times in it, finally settled on 4 EL34s and 2 6550s. Sounded good, not great. I even called another Diezel owner and friend of mine who posts here to ask him if I was missing something. My opinion is not based on some sort of conjecture, but actual research and experimentation by me. Owned the amp for 6 months.

Never have I ever said "it sucked" or that it was "bad." I wouldn't say that about the amp because it is not true. It just did not live up to its hype.

Specifically, the amp did not live up to the hype about the tightness of the low end. Before and after I bought the amp I went on the Diezel forum and people told me "not sure why you would need the low end any tighter than a Hernert. It is one of thightest amps out there." A surgically tight low end is paramount for me and the Herbert doesn't have it. I actually think a VH4 on Ch. 3 is tighter and is actually more my thing. I have an amp in my arsenal that totally dominated the Herbert in the tight low end department.

It is hilarious to me that when you offer an informed opinion about an amp in a thread where an opinion is specifically asked for that you are a hater, or, and this is my favorite, "maybe you didn't know what you were doing and had bad tubes." Um, nope. I know what I am doing just fine, thanks.

It also seems that more than a few people feel the same in this here thread. More haters and people who have no clue how to dial in an amp?

I still get positive emails fairly consistently about the Herbert video that I made. It has gotten close to 6,000 views and I think it has actually sold some Herberts. Would a hater do that?

Didn't mean anything personal. Should have formed my statement as a question. More like, "how much time and consideration did you give it, did you check the bias/tubes?" Now that I know you definitely put sufficient time into it-I understand where you are coming from. Again-nothing personal. Just personally enjoy Diezels (including the Herbert). Although purchasing new is simply insane.

I never claimed that you said it sucked or anything. Didn't believe you were in the wrong in any way.

It's all good, man. I wasn't going after you really, just the widespread perception that if someone doesn't like an amp then it was either their fault or they are a hater to begin with. Thankfully I didn't buy a new Herbert, got one used for a decent deal. There is no doubt Diezels are fine amps and built extremely well.

 

[Gsxrbusa]

Bare knuckle painkiller pickup. I really hated it.

What did you hate about the Painkiller? Have you heard the Aftermath? supposedly it cleans up some of the "quirks" that the PK had...

I think the problem is that I have always been an EMG 81, 89, 0r 85 type of guy. I tried the Painkiller at the recommendation of a friend. He said it is the closest passive pickup to an 81. I tried it. Seemed way hot if I remember right but dull to me. Didn't have the bite I wanted in a certain frequency. I honestly have forget most of the specifics about what I didn't like about it. I really wanted to like it too in order to get off of the active bottle.

I usually dial my rigs to suit one guitar in particular(my main player) and make minor adjustments according to what EMG equipped guitar I am playing. I would like to try other BK products but honestly I am content with EMG.

My same friend said my rig sounds fantastic and he hates EMG's after using them in the past. He goes thru pickups like water. He revisited the EMG 81 and liked it but that really does not mean shit.


I am sure there are plenty of other pickups that would suit my needs but I am lazy.

See, I love my PK's and absolutely hate EMGs. Different strokes...

Hater! JK, it's cool. Just like you said, everyone has their thing.


On a side note........I LOVE my Herbert! I bought it used and scored big. $2200. I would not spend $4500 on an amp unless I had money coming out of my ass....which I don't.

 

[nighttrain69]

Tom Anderson/Grosh or anybody else making a bolt on neck guitar that's basically a hot-rodded Fender that sells for 2-3 times what a G&L or USA Fender do and sound and play no better. Granted the Fender may need a setup but after a good setup will easily play as well.

Disagree with you there. I felt that way for a long time and thought how many Strat and Tele copies does the industry need. Then, I bought an Anderson. Now, there are three. Now, I am sold. I wouldn't pay up for the high priced quilt tops and that, but as far as quality control, detail and playability, Fender has a lot of catching up to do. Me, I would rather have one awesome feeling and playing $2500 Anderson, than a half dozen mediocre guitars. But, that's just my opinion.

Steve

Same here. I have a Fender Strat, and it's nothing like my Anderson. I was nervous about dropping so much money on one guitar, but I have hardly played anything else since I got it.

after playing my anderson everything else just doesnt compare

 

[glpg80]

Tom Anderson/Grosh or anybody else making a bolt on neck guitar that's basically a hot-rodded Fender that sells for 2-3 times what a G&L or USA Fender do and sound and play no better. Granted the Fender may need a setup but after a good setup will easily play as well.

Disagree with you there. I felt that way for a long time and thought how many Strat and Tele copies does the industry need. Then, I bought an Anderson. Now, there are three. Now, I am sold. I wouldn't pay up for the high priced quilt tops and that, but as far as quality control, detail and playability, Fender has a lot of catching up to do. Me, I would rather have one awesome feeling and playing $2500 Anderson, than a half dozen mediocre guitars. But, that's just my opinion.

Steve

Same here. I have a Fender Strat, and it's nothing like my Anderson. I was nervous about dropping so much money on one guitar, but I have hardly played anything else since I got it.

after playing my anderson everything else just doesnt compare

The Anderson i played shat all over a store new MIM fender i also had access to at the same time - both played through the same amplifier. the Anderson had store managers and employee's asking questions about who made the guitar, what was it, and commenting on how badass it sounded. the MIM fender did nothing but sound thin and lifeless and sound like every other guitar in GC.

Andersons are not hype. until i played one i thought Suhr guitars and Anderson's were both complete wastes of money and over-hyped time. after playing one, damn did it make a believer out of me. it shat all over gibsons, PRS, MIM fender's, nothing in the store it was in compared in tone and overall guitar resonance. it was louder unplugged than anything else i had ever played before. it really resonated - you could feel it in your gut when you leaned over to play. and this is through guitar center worthy chords, GC worthy setup, GC worthy amplifiers, etc. that says alot for Anderson build quality.

Orange amplifiers - just nothing i can begin to work off of.

ADA MP1's. some people get them to sound insane, but the one i owned was terrible and lifeless. i hated it, worst gear experience ive ever owned.

Signature model guitars from artists, when you know the artists play custom shop guitars with quality 20x nicer than anything standard floor models offer. just a gimmic to make money with marketing.

relec'ed guitars. why buy a new guitar at new guitar prices that looks like shit? or damage a guitar and ruin its value? it seems like barely damaged guitars mean you have to deduct value, but once it gets to a certain point the value is retained because it is considered relic'ed - complete BS to me.

people who bitch about floyd rose guitars not staying in tune or being tough to re-string. user error does not constitute product error.

Diezel - allot of smuck with the brand turned me sour on them. if you dare mention any negatives fanboies come out in droves defending the brand; making it very clear anything negative is strictly an opinion and strictly an opinion that does not matter at that.

 

[DEWD]

Every Bogner I've played, Diezel Herbert (owned 3 of these ) and just about every "boutique" fx pedal. This trend of paying $300-$400 for od and delay pedals is to me.

 

[skoora]

Tom Anderson/Grosh or anybody else making a bolt on neck guitar that's basically a hot-rodded Fender that sells for 2-3 times what a G&L or USA Fender do and sound and play no better. Granted the Fender may need a setup but after a good setup will easily play as well.

Disagree with you there. I felt that way for a long time and thought how many Strat and Tele copies does the industry need. Then, I bought an Anderson. Now, there are three. Now, I am sold. I wouldn't pay up for the high priced quilt tops and that, but as far as quality control, detail and playability, Fender has a lot of catching up to do. Me, I would rather have one awesome feeling and playing $2500 Anderson, than a half dozen mediocre guitars. But, that's just my opinion.

Steve

Same here. I have a Fender Strat, and it's nothing like my Anderson. I was nervous about dropping so much money on one guitar, but I have hardly played anything else since I got it.

I'm glad you guys like them. I've played a fair few of them over the years and never liked one all that much.

 

[Lord Toneking]

JVM

All the hype and I think they sound like crap Spent lots of time on my buddy's and it does not impress me at all


Mark IV - Cleans were ok, R2 was useless. The solo channel was were it was at...but still way overrated imo

 

[Ventura]

I can say that the most overrated piece of gear I have actually owned is hands down the Diezel Herbert. Not saying it is a bad piece of gear because it's not, but definitely overrated.

Big claim, mate... I'd be interested to hear the full story on this one

V.

No joke. Maybe you bought one used and the tubes were going out or something else was wrong with it? I can see saying-"not my kind of thing" but not, "the most overrated piece of gear I have actually owned."

Man, not sure what to say about this...besides that it is absofuckinlutely ridiculous. Herberts are exclaimed by many people to be the be all end all amp, just read the Diezel forum at any time! I bought one based on countless remarks just like that on this and other forums. I also played one before and thought it was cool. Wanted to spend some time with it to make up my own mind so I bought one. It did not live up to the hype, hence, it was overrated. It's fairly simple really.

I changed tubes countless times in it, finally settled on 4 EL34s and 2 6550s. Sounded good, not great. I even called another Diezel owner and friend of mine who posts here to ask him if I was missing something. My opinion is not based on some sort of conjecture, but actual research and experimentation by me. Owned the amp for 6 months.

Never have I ever said "it sucked" or that it was "bad." I wouldn't say that about the amp because it is not true. It just did not live up to its hype.

Specifically, the amp did not live up to the hype about the tightness of the low end. Before and after I bought the amp I went on the Diezel forum and people told me "not sure why you would need the low end any tighter than a Hernert. It is one of thightest amps out there." A surgically tight low end is paramount for me and the Herbert doesn't have it. I actually think a VH4 on Ch. 3 is tighter and is actually more my thing. I have an amp in my arsenal that totally dominated the Herbert in the tight low end department.

It is hilarious to me that when you offer an informed opinion about an amp in a thread where an opinion is specifically asked for that you are a hater, or, and this is my favorite, "maybe you didn't know what you were doing and had bad tubes." Um, nope. I know what I am doing just fine, thanks.

It also seems that more than a few people feel the same in this here thread. More haters and people who have no clue how to dial in an amp?

I still get positive emails fairly consistently about the Herbert video that I made. It has gotten close to 6,000 views and I think it has actually sold some Herberts. Would a hater do that?

Didn't mean anything personal. Should have formed my statement as a question. More like, "how much time and consideration did you give it, did you check the bias/tubes?" Now that I know you definitely put sufficient time into it-I understand where you are coming from. Again-nothing personal. Just personally enjoy Diezels (including the Herbert). Although purchasing new is simply insane.

I never claimed that you said it sucked or anything. Didn't believe you were in the wrong in any way.

It's all good, man. I wasn't going after you really, just the widespread perception that if someone doesn't like an amp then it was either their fault or they are a hater to begin with. Thankfully I didn't buy a new Herbert, got one used for a decent deal. There is no doubt Diezels are fine amps and built extremely well.

See....?? There's a lot of love in RT, lots!! (now, just don't let Barzini hear about this... )

As for the Painkillers, ya know?? I had so much back and forth with Tim Mills about these things because they weren't doing what I "thought" they were supposed to do. Rather than send him the guitar in which they were installed, I just sucked it up. Interestingly enough, months later, and playing this guitar, it became my drop-tuned axe of choice, I pulled back on the gain, increased the volume, and now it's by far one of my fave sounding guuitars I own.

Go figure

I'm still having some volume level issues with the split coil neck pup, but this is just part of it... it's cool, I have to turn up the volume to get it to match the bridge in split mode, c'est la vie.

V.

 

[cml694]

Suhr guitars. I'd buy one and play one but they definitely aren't worth what they ask or are the greatest playing guitars ever.

 

[Gooseman]

Most modern high-gain amps.

I don't know if you are kidding, but I think this is totally true. There are so many great drive pedals out there that sound natural and have lots of harmonic breakup to them. The Fulltone OCD is one of those pedals that I am constantly in awe of. On the LP mode, at 18-watts, and with the gain just at 11:00 am, I can get the best crunch tones ever -- with super harmonic content throughout the breakup.

Rockbox is another great drive pedal. I rarely use my Roadster's gain channels anymore, aside from the Tweed drive on channel 1. Everything else is set to clean and dirty clean. I just add my pedals to further color the tone.

 

[lester]

Everytime I hear this hype about the VH4 for instance, or the Herbert. I fall into it, then I check out some videos or some clips or whatever, and I remember once again how that sound is not my thing at all. Done it about 10 times. But with that said, I'll probably end up with one.

 

[Anonymous]

For me it was the Mesa Roadking and Roadster. Couldn't get rid of them quick enough!

Give me an old Tremoverb or MKIII anyday...

AXEFX. It was a great unit but also a major timesuck for me. I know some guys don't have this problem, but I was always tweaking mine. Spent more time tweaking than actually playing. It still felt like a toy to me. Got rid of it.

Any new Gibson or Fender guitar.

 

[HerbieBoogie]

I think emg pickups are way overrated. they just sound silly to me. but then again i am the cookie monster.

 

[Tawlks]

I think emg pickups are way overrated. they just sound silly to me. but then again i am the cookie monster.

 

[DeezDemos]

Nice Troll Thread OP!

 

[leib10]

Something for the cheaper guitarists: the Boss MT-2 Metal Zone. So popular, but so crappy-sounding. For years I used a Digitech Metal Master, which was infinitely better in almost every respect, even though it doesn't have a gain level knob. Yet nobody ever buys them.