Peavey 5150 Harsh High End?

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RuxinCaldwell":2bjbx7w7 said:
This may sound like a complete noob question, but I can get tones out of my amp I enjoy if I set literally beside the cabinet and no where near the front of it. Anywhere near the front of the cabinet and all I hear is harsh midrange and fizz. This is where my approach to EQ'ing gets inconsistent. Do people who EQ for life performances stand directly in front of the amp and bare through all the harsh frequencies? All amps sound completely different just by where you're standing in the room. This is where my "not being able to understand the frequencies" comment came from.

This is interesting to me. I work at home, and my amp, cabs and guitars are behind me; on all day, so whenever I get a few mins I can grab whatever and play.

Usually, the 2x12 (it's on casters and gets moved every once in a while) is sitting at about 2 o'clock when I play...not to the side, and not directly in front; nothing but great tone. I'm wondering if there's something wrong with that cab, like the guy above me said.

Might just have to turn your cab around facing away from you lol.
 
Steinmetzify":1vz2wnny said:
RuxinCaldwell":1vz2wnny said:
This may sound like a complete noob question, but I can get tones out of my amp I enjoy if I set literally beside the cabinet and no where near the front of it. Anywhere near the front of the cabinet and all I hear is harsh midrange and fizz. This is where my approach to EQ'ing gets inconsistent. Do people who EQ for life performances stand directly in front of the amp and bare through all the harsh frequencies? All amps sound completely different just by where you're standing in the room. This is where my "not being able to understand the frequencies" comment came from.

This is interesting to me. I work at home, and my amp, cabs and guitars are behind me; on all day, so whenever I get a few mins I can grab whatever and play.

Usually, the 2x12 (it's on casters and gets moved every once in a while) is sitting at about 2 o'clock when I play...not to the side, and not directly in front; nothing but great tone. I'm wondering if there's something wrong with that cab, like the guy above me said.



Might just have to turn your cab around facing away from you lol.

Well, like molten mentioned, i dial my amp sitting in front of it, not off axis. Not sure if thats the correct way, but mine sounds a little muffled off to the side, but still great in front of it...
 
What's your typical settings of presence and treble? I set my presence exactly at 9, not 10 it will be too much. And adjust my treble at will, for me it's 5 but start at 0 and go up. If it doesn't work i think you just don't like the 5150, last resort go with an EQ in the loop and cut some highs.

My setup:
ESP Ltd ZH-7 Mahogany body + 81Bridge & 85Neck, just like yours
Peavey 5150 Head
Mesa Traditional 4x12
ISP Decimator
Maxon OD808

Pretty close to your setup.
 
Metal1977":t8xw8gxd said:
What's your typical settings of presence and treble? I set my presence exactly at 9, not 10 it will be too much. And adjust my treble at will, for me it's 5 but start at 0 and go up. If it doesn't work i think you just don't like the 5150, last resort go with an EQ in the loop and cut some highs.

My setup:
ESP Ltd ZH-7 Mahogany body + 81Bridge & 85Neck, just like yours
Peavey 5150 Head
Mesa Traditional 4x12
ISP Decimator
Maxon OD808

Pretty close to your setup.

I run my treble at 5-6, and my presence is on 5 at the moment, but I find the presence knob to be useless. It barely does anything until you get past 7. I don't understand what Peavey was thinking when they designed it like that. I messed around with the tone knob on the OD808 and have confirmed that the Overdrive pedal is not the issue. I have however messed with the resonance knob some more and it's on 3.5 now compared to 1. I'm thinking running my resonance so low was thinning out my tone, resulting in a trebly tone. Resonance/Bass combos have always confused me. I never know which to increase and which not to. A lot of people have said that the resonance just controls how tight and loose your bass is... so my automatic reaction was to turn the resonance down real low.
 
My settings are like this thru a Splawn 4x12 with small blocks

Gain 10:00
Bass 2:00
Mid 11:00
Treb 1:00
Res 1:00
Pres 2:00
Vol 10:00 ( 3.5-4)

I find that the low end is just right and that the high end has just enough 'bite' to make it not too bass heavy or sounding like a crispy chicken nugget
 
I do believe I found a solution to my problem guys, and is probably the issue I've had with these ice pick frequencies ever since I started using cabinets. Weber Beam Blockers. I have always hated the sound my cabinet has up front, but to the side, sounds great. This should kill the annoying, ice pick frequencies I've been hearing!
 
i gotta wonder what your post knobs are at? if you bought this amp to be a bedroom warrior, you made a HUGE mistake. most of the tonal "issues" you are describing are always going to be an issue at bedroom volumes with this amp. throwing money at the problem may or may not address your specific tonal needs.

my advice? turn the volume up and adjust your tone and pre gain knobs. add presence and resonance to taste. see if you can get that with lower volumes.

generally, the 6/6/6 tone knob settings is a good place to start, providing your lead and rhy post gains are at least at 2...and above that. which, again, isn't bedroom/apartment friendly....its really fucking loud, but the tone starts getting sweeter as you up the volume. there's a few mod tricks you can do to address the out of control volume, but, honestly, you should be able to get there tonally with bearable volume levels.

you can always add the 10band in the loop, this usually cures most problems i hear about people having with the limited tonal capabilities of the 5150/6505v1 series. you run a boost in front, which tells me you're willing to try a 70$ eq pedal in the loop to, if need be....this may just be your start and end point.

after around 3ish on the post gains, the presence wakes up a bit earlier on the dial before 7...but yes, generally, that's the starting point at bedroom volumes where you start hearing a difference. again, YMMV a tad from amp to amp, but generally, that's where the wake up is at. the 10k presence knob in there is just about as low a knob you can get (i've tried 50k and 25k with the same "around 7" results), and they put it in there for a reason. you can put a 3-4k resistor across the presence knob from wiper to ground on the capacitor side to even out some of the presence knob sweep, but keep in mind, whatever value you choose will be the starting point now for the knob....still not a bad mod, but not the be all end all cure all...but it's better than stock.

i run my amp with x patterned celestion t75 and g12h100 (similiar to the k100) and i have no problems with fizz. your speaker/cab choice could be the issue. i dont know, as i currently dont have v30's to a/b against w my amp, and certainly, i dont have your ears/nor you mine. then again, as was said too....the fizz dissapears with these amps in a band setting, and the roar comes to life, and a lot of people do use these amps with mesa cabs/v30s.

sovtek wxt power tubes sound good in these amps.

chinese 12ax7b v1/2/4/5 and a sovtek 12ax7LPS in the PI slot (v4) should get you tonally and gainially, about the maximum you can have, and be able to make the most adjustments with your knobs in a 5150, without starting to split too many preamp tube hairs, etc.

one or two 3mica 5751 tubes may also serve to tame some high end and lower the gain a bit, which isn't a bad thing in the 5150....there's so much pre gain on tap between 2-7 on the lead side and across the whole knob on the pre side, you shouldn't really be maxing this out to begin with. i went a different mod route instead of 5751 tubes as they're a tad pricey compared to a few other options.
 
RuxinCaldwell":1ih93kp9 said:
I do believe I found a solution to my problem guys, and is probably the issue I've had with these ice pick frequencies ever since I started using cabinets. Weber Beam Blockers. I have always hated the sound my cabinet has up front, but to the side, sounds great. This should kill the annoying, ice pick frequencies I've been hearing!


No. :thumbsdown:

Use the Mitchell donuts the weber cause really weird phasing issues.

Look at the thread I posted all the info is in there you need, it costs like $20 to do a 4x12 and takes ago an hour or so.


You cannot hate the sound coming out of the front, it IS your sound, the sound the mic hears and the sound the front audience hears, no one at your gig is sitting off to the side of the cabinets.

You either need to dial the sound to be awesome coming out of the front and dark off axis OR use the Mitchell donuts to have congruence.

There Is one other product that uses diffraction but it is extremely expensive.
 
moltenmetalburn":1586ntof said:
RuxinCaldwell":1586ntof said:
I do believe I found a solution to my problem guys, and is probably the issue I've had with these ice pick frequencies ever since I started using cabinets. Weber Beam Blockers. I have always hated the sound my cabinet has up front, but to the side, sounds great. This should kill the annoying, ice pick frequencies I've been hearing!


No. :thumbsdown:

Use the Mitchell donuts the weber cause really weird phasing issues.

Look at the thread I posted all the info is in there you need, it costs like $20 to do a 4x12 and takes ago an hour or so.


You cannot hate the sound coming out of the front, it IS your sound, the sound the mic hears and the sound the front audience hears, no one at your gig is sitting off to the side of the cabinets.

You either need to dial the sound to be awesome coming out of the front and dark off axis OR use the Mitchell donuts to have congruence.

There Is one other product that uses diffraction but it is extremely expensive.

Never tried the donuts you're talking about but agree strongly with the part I bolded.

I've seen this kinda thing more often than not:

"I love my tone standing next to my amp but it's really harsh when I stand out in front of it?"

That IS what your tone sounds like! That is what you're sending out to the audience's ears! This is particularly the case with guys that use 1X12 or 2X12 cabs as they're not hearing anything that is on axis and then what's at their knees is as at your audience's ear level. Not saying you can't use small cabs and sound great but you do need to dial your sound with it facing you at ear level or you're kidding yourself IMO.
 
Call me crazy but I actually liked the top end cut of my old 6505+, it might sound harsh alone (fine for me "imo" personally for home playing though) but just great in a mix in my limited experience with it. :)
 
Metal1977":3ocewry0 said:
Do you play with a band or by yourself at home?

Currently, just at home. My last band fell apart and the talented musicians department for the stuff I play is seriously lacking in my area.
 
the bare knuckle holy diver sounds absolutely amazing when boosted in front of a 5150
just that big and fluid midrangy tone, great for stuff from EVH to Arch Enemy

but for the uber tight in-your-face "djent" thing, you'll want the bare knuckle aftermath
a lot like the holy diver, but louder and more responsive, with a dry and aggressive attack

the bare knuckle miracle man is also great and a pretty unique sounding pickup
sounds fatter, smoother and less sizzly than the emg 81, with more organic low midrange grind and top, and less hard sounding upper mids
it may not sound as in-your-face as actives, but has much more overall depth, better string separation and punchier low end

I'd stay away from already harsh and overly saturated passive pickups like the duncan distortion (sh-6) and gibson 500t
I like them with stock jcm 800's and other medium-low gain amps, but with ultrasaturated amps like the 5150, they're just overkill
 
RuxinCaldwell":2zmtwui3 said:
Metal1977":2zmtwui3 said:
Do you play with a band or by yourself at home?

Currently, just at home. My last band fell apart and the talented musicians department for the stuff I play is seriously lacking in my area.
Well there's your problem. V30's + home jamming = high end nightmare. V30's sound great in a mix, but they are just about the worst speaker possible for home jamming. A pickup change, EQ, ect... will not solve your problem. You're going to want to get those V30's out of there. I'd recommend Swamp Thangs, K100's, or even a Greenback variant for home playing (GB's just sound soooo good with 5150's). Trust me, it's the V30's and nothing else you do will solve the problem.
 
I agree with the post above with V30s not being the best thing for low volume. That mesa cab needs to be cranked to get the speakers moving some air.

The best speaker I've had for that application while having the 5150 was the 5150III EVH cab with G12EVH speakers (something like greenbacks 25w). I could get a very nice tone even with low volumes.
 
madrigal77":3pl98g2h said:
RuxinCaldwell":3pl98g2h said:
Metal1977":3pl98g2h said:
Do you play with a band or by yourself at home?

Currently, just at home. My last band fell apart and the talented musicians department for the stuff I play is seriously lacking in my area.
Well there's your problem. V30's + home jamming = high end nightmare. V30's sound great in a mix, but they are just about the worst speaker possible for home jamming. A pickup change, EQ, ect... will not solve your problem. You're going to want to get those V30's out of there. I'd recommend Swamp Thangs, K100's, or even a Greenback variant for home playing (GB's just sound soooo good with 5150's). Trust me, it's the V30's and nothing else you do will solve the problem.

Ah. Yeah didn't realize the OP was playing at home. Agree that in a band mix he wouldn't be complaining, would probably sit just right. Playing at home by yourself V30s may not be your best bet though.

Playing at home vs playing in a full band mix is a completely different thing.
 
Did I miss where he said he was playing in a band or this was alone that he thought it was to sizzly? Did I miss the settings on the EQ beyond having the presence/treble commment in the original post? I didn't read every reply and if there was a reply what I about to say might be null/void...

Honestly, lose the OD pedal and then roll your knobs back to 0. EQ yourself in the band mix so that you can be heard, keep in mind you're going to CUT when you're by yourself.

Vin 30s aren't my fave speaker, I'm more of an Eminence fanboy, but I'd say it is more what I said than anything else.

Remember that our tone knobs are like the hot/cold water faucets, you blend them and not just crank them both open.

Derek
 
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