Pedal board for the front and amp's loop.

[Digital Jams]

Why is it I do not see many built like this? Could be the huge n00b factor as well but anyways I want to do this......................

Tuner, wah, vibe, fuzz, and any boost in front of the amp and,


Chorus and delay in the loop.

I want to use a looper pedal like the voodo switcher to make tap dancing minimal but with some pedals going to the loop not sure I can do this as I break the chain with the delay and chorus. Anyone have a board like this and what did you do?

 

[tweed]

El Bumpo.

fighting the same battle...

 

[boof]

I'm not sure if I follow you but its easily possible if you have a switcher in a rack. I have a wah, comp, ts-9, small stone in loops before the amp and then two loops for effects frome the line out (not being used right now I run the gforce direct into the power amp since it can be midi controlled as is. and two more loops for effects in the effects loop (ISP, MXR eq). Actually the loops for the line out server no purpose since I can bypass the g-force from the midi controller.

Maybe the point was to have the pedals out front but with a switcher and a midi controller what you have listed makes what you want possible

 

[Digital Jams]

I'm not sure if I follow you but its easily possible if you have a switcher in a rack. I have a wah, comp, ts-9, small stone in loops before the amp and then two loops for effects frome the line out (not being used right now I run the gforce direct into the power amp since it can be midi controlled as is. and two more loops for effects in the effects loop (ISP, MXR eq). Actually the loops for the line out server no purpose since I can bypass the g-force from the midi controller.

Maybe the point was to have the pedals out front but with a switcher and a midi controller what you have listed makes what you want possible

Exactly, a switcher and midi board would have this taken care of easily! Problem is I don't want to increaase my load in with another rack and raise my costs since this is for a jam band and not for pay.

GCX ground and switcher would be around $500 alone. In a perfect world this would rule but my world is not perfect

 

[boof]

ah then I did miss the point. I thought the question was too easy to be true... humm wonder if the gig rig can handle that.... but they aren't cheap as well.

 

[steve_k]

You won't be able to do it with just the VL switcher. But, you could use one set of send/receive jacks on the back of it and route those to a looper pedal on your pedalboard (Lehle, Keely, Boss) and then route the two pedals in a loop through that back the send/receive of your FX loop on the amp. This would be the cheapest way to go.

Steve

 

[dstroud]

Would a Pedal Snake help you do this?

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

guess you're trying not to have 5 miles of cable?


i don't know? if you don't have switchible loop can't think of anything cheap to not have to run the cable?


i just run the cable and live with it in Bedroom Square garden. i'm running a minimum of 80 ft of cable (4 cable method) some are 21's and some are 25? guess if you're worried about signal loss with this method, you could add a buffer VHT Valulator or maybe a micro amp?

 

[Digital Jams]

You won't be able to do it with just the VL switcher. But, you could use one set of send/receive jacks on the back of it and route those to a looper pedal on your pedalboard (Lehle, Keely, Boss) and then route the two pedals in a loop through that back the send/receive of your FX loop on the amp. This would be the cheapest way to go.

Steve

I believe you are right, that would be the cheapest. Trying to figure out the less tap dance configuration out there but due to me wanting to use the amp's loop there will be some dancing.

 

[mentoneman]

in guitarland

perfect tone is complicated and weighs a lot
control is expensive

and tubes make things better

 

[mysticaxe]

I had Joel from HBE build be a double looper pedal - one loop for the front of the amp (phase 90 and OD), one for the loop (delay, EQ). Has 3 buttons on the top - Loop A on/off, Loop B on/off, Master on/off.

The Master overrides the A and B switches and turns everything on. When it's off, then the A and B switches do the controlling. Was pretty cheap too!

 

[Digital Jams]

guess you're trying not to have 5 miles of cable?


i don't know? if you don't have switchible loop can't think of anything cheap to not have to run the cable?


i just run the cable and live with it in Bedroom Square garden. i'm running a minimum of 80 ft of cable (4 cable method) some are 21's and some are 25? guess if you're worried about signal loss with this method, you could add a buffer VHT Valulator or maybe a micro amp?

Na, cables are not the issue as my MSB is not that big as well and my weekly jam room is not too large either. The 1/2 stack pretty much sits to one side of me.

Just trying to minimize the tap dancing if possible but I am learning it is not really possible.

 

[steve_k]

You won't be able to do it with just the VL switcher. But, you could use one set of send/receive jacks on the back of it and route those to a looper pedal on your pedalboard (Lehle, Keely, Boss) and then route the two pedals in a loop through that back the send/receive of your FX loop on the amp. This would be the cheapest way to go.

Steve

I believe you are right, that would be the cheapest. Trying to figure out the less tap dance configuration out there but due to me wanting to use the amp's loop there will be some dancing.

You just leave the chorus/delay on and then you just have to tap the looper pedal to get them both going or if you know in advance what you are going to want, click one of them off then hit the looper through the FX loop. Axess Electronics makes a box that is Midi controlled and it is small enough not to take up too much real estate on your board. Then you could control your Voodoo looper by Midi and your inboard stuff through Midi, individually. Its not too expensive, but you can also pick up a used rack mount router and stick them in a rack and really clean up the floor!

Steve

 

[mentoneman]

guess you're trying not to have 5 miles of cable?


i don't know? if you don't have switchible loop can't think of anything cheap to not have to run the cable?


i just run the cable and live with it in Bedroom Square garden. i'm running a minimum of 80 ft of cable (4 cable method) some are 21's and some are 25? guess if you're worried about signal loss with this method, you could add a buffer VHT Valulator or maybe a micro amp?

Na, cables are not the issue as my MSB is not that big as well and my weekly jam room is not too large either. The 1/2 stack pretty much sits to one side of me.

Just trying to minimize the tap dancing if possible but I am learning it is not really possible.

so many gyrations--
i had the totally spoiled one touch triaxis/395 rack midi rig, then went into total pedal mayhem and the patchmate, and now i just try to minimize how many pedals i have, but i'm still in 4 cable land with the 3 pedals out front and the gforce in the loop of the eggie.

and i amp 4 button presses away from my cleanest tone with compressor pedal and chorus pedal on, to my dirtiest tone with bb preamp on;

chorus off
comp off
midi to change gforce and eggie channel
bb pre on

which takes all of about 3 seconds to do...the biggest challenge is doing it in the time the song allows me to switch, and concentrating on the sequence of moves prior to the moment i need to do it

i also have cheats, like clean w/ no chorus pedal tone straight to the bb preamp for medium dirt coverage, for one button speed in the heat of the battle.

 

[buddaman71]

The Furman stereo powered pedal board has a patch bay guilt in that works perfectly with a PedalSnake to set your pedals up in 4-cable method quickly and looks very neat onstage. I gigged with that for 3 years and it worked great.

If you are ok with excellent digital stomp box models, you can do that with the Line6 M13 and the new Digitech RP1000.

Both are excellent units and sound GREAT. The RP1000 is the floor version of the GSP1101.

 

[Stratboy151]

i used to have a 2 tier pedalboard (nycpedalboards.com) and i had mine setup exactly like that, all front end boosts, od's, comp, etc was on lower tier, and all stuff for the loop was on top, delay, chorus.

 

[Phrygian]

The Furman stereo powered pedal board has a patch bay built in that works perfectly with a PedalSnake to set your pedals up in 4-cable method quickly and looks very neat onstage.

I was going to mention the Furman as well. It's a nice setup.

 

[messenger]

A guy a played with for a while had his pedals wired some way that when he'd turn on one and others would turn on at the same time, and a different pedal would turn on different pedals. I'm not sure how he did it, but he said Boss pedals were easy to mod to do that.

 

[70strathead]

yeah thats a tough one, since i only use a mxr micro amp ( for volume boost ) and echoplex in the loop...i have custom foot switches for both units to turn off/bypass from the from of the stage...i had to mod my mxr pedal to remove the normal switch and instead turn it into a female quarter inch socket so that i leave my chain of effects at minimal cable length to the amp and the chords going to the footswitches are right beside my main pedal board ( usually duck taped to the stage )..very old school but it works. the switched both have LED's and are made of cast iron.

 

[Digital Jams]

Well I guess I am going to have to put up with some added tap dancing but got some great ideas from here though.

Front line will have a true by-pass looper/switcher to isolate the boosts, vibe, and wah and the second row will be delays, flangers, and chorus going to the loop. BY turning the loop off via the fs I can also isolate those pedals as well.

Thanks guys.