People in their 40's, do you notice...?

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I just turned 57, and I think I'm playing the best I ever have. I know age/body is sometimes a factor, but I think more of it may come down to practicing differently compared to when we were younger, and perhaps the material we spend time on now versus then. I can't play the Yngwie material like I did back then, but it's also not something I'm focusing towards when I practice.

When I was in college I had a guitar in my hands 6-8+ hours a day between ensemble work, jam sessions, lessons, and individual practice. Nowadays I still try to devote 90-120 minutes each day to individual practice, and then more if I'm working up tunes or doing other band/ensemble work.
 
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Good thread. Happy to chime in and hope this helps. I made the tail end of the Racer-X / Shrapnel Era @ G.I.T. Within a few years of my tour of duty out there, I had really respectable chops and played in a busy local cover band. I had a metronome chops workout that I did every day - even on gig days. Admittedly, I struggled with doing anything with my chops that would pass for original or melodic - hence my current non-music career LOL. But I always loved that stye of music and always loved keeping my chops up.

About a year ago, everything gradually but steadily faded - particularly my right hand picking. I could barely tremolo pick on the low E - everything felt clunky for lack of a better term. No amount of practice seemed to help. I still put a guitar across my lap for about an hr each evening in front of the TV and just played what I could.

Now - for reasons I cannot explain - things have started clicking again. Right hand feels steady - even on the heavy wound strings. Hands feel synced up again. Playing is fun again. My thought is that you go through phases: When my chops were sliding, I was dealing with some serious issues at work and the loss of my Dad and lots of time devoted to being present for Mom who continues to struggle. When I was younger playing in a band full time, the ONLY thing in my brain was music. But as you get older, you only have so much unoccupied RAM in your brain and work and life stress can really slow down the processing speed of things like music.
 
I listen to old demos and think, what the fuck was I playing there? The thought of trying to figure it out is not a fun one. You try and think about what you usually play or would play and still can’t find it. 😂 It’s not just lead stuff, it’s chordal, arpeggio stuff where I mesh two guitars playing different things. I definitely hit a creative peak in my late 20’s.

I don't have many recordings of my old stuff, but there is one riff I'm thinking of in particular that...doesn't make sense to me. I have no idea what I was doing and I can't figure it out.
 
A decline in your playing skills and speed? I remember in my 20's being a hell of a lot better than I am now. I could breeze through a song like Master Of Puppetd, all downpicked, up to speed. Now I really struggle and it's depressing as fuck.

I'm wondering if it's medication or drug related?? Or if it's just what happens with age??
I feel like when I was younger, I could play as fast as I wanted. Yeah I practiced etc, but once I got speed chops in the first couple of years of playing, it wasn't a big deal.

Now I really have to devote a portion of practice to technique, or the shit I want to execute won't be there.

Only thing I can add is I'm way more tuned into the nuances, string muting, the eveness or intentionally varied attack on notes, and timing. I did the shred float the speed over rhythm/timing thing for way too long.

Now I'm hyper focused on speed in relation to time. For instance, I've been a 3 note per string guy since the beginning of learning scales/modes etc. I had to make those bursts of 3's into 4's, which adds a note on the next string to every passage, if we're talking just practicing diatonic shit.

All of that likely contributed to speed being more challenging, but it also naturally introduced more variance like turn around and cascades, which is a lot more interesting playing over straight up and down scales.

I do think that if I had a teacher make me do this at age 16, I would have done it way easier. Now my old ass has to woodshed hard to keep progressing.
 
Good thread. Happy to chime in and hope this helps. I made the tail end of the Racer-X / Shrapnel Era @ G.I.T. Within a few years of my tour of duty out there, I had really respectable chops and played in a busy local cover band. I had a metronome chops workout that I did every day - even on gig days. Admittedly, I struggled with doing anything with my chops that would pass for original or melodic - hence my current non-music career LOL. But I always loved that stye of music and always loved keeping my chops up.

About a year ago, everything gradually but steadily faded - particularly my right hand picking. I could barely tremolo pick on the low E - everything felt clunky for lack of a better term. No amount of practice seemed to help. I still put a guitar across my lap for about an hr each evening in front of the TV and just played what I could.

Now - for reasons I cannot explain - things have started clicking again. Right hand feels steady - even on the heavy wound strings. Hands feel synced up again. Playing is fun again. My thought is that you go through phases: When my chops were sliding, I was dealing with some serious issues at work and the loss of my Dad and lots of time devoted to being present for Mom who continues to struggle. When I was younger playing in a band full time, the ONLY thing in my brain was music. But as you get older, you only have so much unoccupied RAM in your brain and work and life stress can really slow down the processing speed of things like music.
Very interesting, and reflective of some of my experience with age as well.

Only difference is you were good and went to GIT LOL. And went there you had to be able to throw down just to walk in the door.

I was only a big fish in a small pond, that could play fast relative to the other folks in my neck of the woods.

I actually still thought I was good until YouTube became a thing. When I saw 11 year olds in Japan shredding me under the table, reality set in haha.

You bring up an excellent point about being a young fella, and having the time/obsession to burn in technical skill. I have a theory (basically anecdotal crap I made up haha) that to a large degree a player establishes their technical ceiling, at least as far as straight up guitar gymnastics/chops very early on. I think, like in the first 2-3 years of playing.

Obviously practice at any age will lead to improvement, but everyone I know that can play at a higher than average technical level, could do it when they were teenagers.

The ceiling I'm referring to doesn't mean your at your best at an early age, just that it's likely you're establishing how far your technique can go early on, with the hope that you eventually maximize that as you get older.

For instance, I've never met a 30 year old guitar player that always played at a David Gilmour kind of speed, that suddenly decided they wanted to shred, successfully implemented practice etc. and successfully transition to having blazing technique.

Obviously, they can improve and maybe even develop a couple decent parlor trick techniques, but nothing that would approach breaking through their previous 'ceiling.'

I think some of that is because a 30 something dude with a job and a family can't put in the obsessive time like a 14 year old. But I also think there's some pliable aspects to the youthful brain that allow the formation of new skills, where that pliability is majorly diminished in adulthood.

I have zero evidence other than anecdotal observation, and would be very interested in hearing from anyone that has seen a player totally blow away my theory.

Also, there are outliers that are not inhibited by 'the ceiling.' The ones I've seen were high level musicians on other instruments, and they picked up guitar later on and were as good as they wanted to be. And I suppose there would be extremely musically talented individuals that never played an instrument until later on, and they also would likely not be inhibited (I have never personally seen this).

Please forgive my giant deviation haha. To bring it back, I have also experienced technical fall off with age. I was not able to correct it until I had the time and head space where I could prioritize music again. And even then it took (and currently still takes) consistent and intentional practice to get back in gear.

Then there's try to continue improvement/development in my 40's, which is a whole subject by itself.
 
I started in my 20s, so in that regard, I was quite bad at that age. I now play multiple times a week, so my playing has improved in the past 20 or so years. I also picked up bass and the drums very late, so my skills are probably a lot better now than in the 2000s.

But I definitely have noticed that I prefer to slow down tempos consciously, it makes the music heavier.
 
Nope, it might take me a few more minutes to get warmed up as I just don’t play as much much as I used to, but I’m playing better than ever
You suck. Just kidding, things like this make me wish I never got into drugs and didn't have to take meds. I'm sure they are the culprit.
 
Fuck no, at 43 I’m having the complete opposite experience and that’s very intentional; I’ve seen every dude in my family gain a ton of weight and start up with heart issues in their 40’s. Most the men on my father’s side end up on blood thinners and have stints and all that shit, when I was hitting my late 30’s I knew if I didn’t get myself together before 40, I’d be just like them.

But it’s 100% contingent on my physical and mental health; a back injury can get me to not play for a couple days and if I’m low on headspace, I’ll likely vegetate on the couch rather than pick up a guitar. The work ethic I utilized from my teens through my early 40’s was not working for me any longer, I had to learn what “me time” meant because if left to my own devices, I will keep saying “Yes” to work with zero regard for my sanity, it’s one of my last ‘poor kid’ trappings to escape.

This time last year it was a struggle to make it through my daily responsibilities, never mind wanting to play. After addressing some issues and putting myself in a little bootcamp, I’m on my feet for the first 12 hours of the day, running laps around the dog park in the afternoon with my dog and then getting home around 7PM and I jump in the studio right away until I can’t keep my eyes open.

And hell, I just started singing ‘seriously’ again have added quite a bit more range than what I was capable of before.

I’ve been quite hellbent on making the 2nd half of life far better than the first and this has all been a huge part of it.
 
My playing isn't as good as it used to be in many technical ways, but it has been due to my lack of practice of late. I am far better musically and as a player, but I am not as clean as I should be.

I also do have medical issues now that I did not before that do affect my hands/playing, but I am not counting that for your situation.

I will say that I never used to have to warm up my hands to melt faces for hours, and now I definitely do, and I am in my late 30s.

I could play bass for a week straight and a guitar forever.... now?? Hands get locked up easier.


I was a hell of a lot more mobile when I was younger though. I try to be, but the nature of my work has me stationary quite often.


Had an older musician who always ran hot water over his hands before we would practice or perform.

I didn't get it then, but I do now.
 
No, max playing speed not affected by age for me. I just feel I play so much better these days. For me it all depends how actively I play guitar. Now I’ve been in London for 2+ weeks for work so will take some time to get the playing back together after getting back home next week. Sometimes a 2-3 week break from playing makes good things happen in the muscles related to playing so playing might go very well even after 1h of picking up the guitar. 🤷‍♂️
 
One thing I've learned about myself is that if I'm playing in one area of the guitar (not moving up and down the fretboard), I can often play better if I close my eyes and visualize my fingers and the fretboard.
 
One thing I've learned about myself is that if I'm playing in one area of the guitar (not moving up and down the fretboard), I can often play better if I close my eyes and visualize my fingers and the fretboard.
Very cool. I've noticed that if I put my guitar in the case, close my eyes, and visualize myself playing it I sound way better. :LOL:
 
finger and hand pain at 54 is real for me..doing physical work for 30 plus years has taken its toll. My playing speed has dropped for sure and my ability to stretch my fingers more than 4 frets is very real. it takes WAY longer to loosen up my fingers and I have to change guitars often to different sized necks to stop my knuckles and wrist locking up .... still love playing though
 
NOPE.

Quite the opposite, I can play circles around 20-something me, precision, speed, authority, and endurance (not to mention span of knowledge), and I'm a MUCH better clean player + more effects/gear savvy. Also a good drummer now (and on a real kit), and much better bass player.

Also stronger in absolute terms for lifting/fighting, although not on a per pound basis, and cardio endurance isn't as good LOL. But I could kick 20s me in the ass due to treachery, technique, and savagery learned since that time. 👊

I've learned a LOT about nutrition and healthy living since my younger days, and my alcohol intake is a small fraction of what it was, which helps....
 
Study off the drums . Thsts cheating on your guitars

Speaking of practice - I sent you a PM

My story is a bit different than most as I started this journey late in life. With work and kids I didn't put the time in necessary to learn. Now that the kids are all gone and I'm semi-retired I can put some focus into this so hopefully I will only get better, and not worse. But yeah, arthritis is real.
 
Speaking of practice - I sent you a PM

My story is a bit different than most as I started this journey late in life. With work and kids I didn't put the time in necessary to learn. Now that the kids are all gone and I'm semi-retired I can put some focus into this so hopefully I will only get better, and not worse. But yeah, arthritis is real.
Ask your doctor about ectolac . Arthritis med
I just se messsge thanks ! Can’t wait to see back
 
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