Peters amp questions

[LPMojoGL]

Interested in picking up a Peters locally, dual with a quad of new Gold Lion KT88s.
Vega and Gryphon channels.
I've always wanted to try a Peters.
I'm curious if this is going to be too loud for around the house. I play my JMP 2204 at 1-2 on the volume with the gain full up.
Is the Vega Gryphon combo redundant? Will they be different enough from the 2204 to justify having both?
And lastly, is $1400 used a good price for a mint dual?

Thanks guys!!!

 

[Bob Savage]

"a quad of... KT88's... too loud for around the house?"

Really?

It might sound great at low volumes, but if you need something for around the house a quad of KT88's might be a problem.

That said, get it.

 

[JamesPeters]

Be sure to read the "manual" page on my site for info about how it works, and suggested initial settings:

http://petersamplification.com/?page_id=1286

Also check the FAQ for "suggested settings" (4th from the top

http://petersamplification.com/?page_id=76

You shouldn't have a problem making it sound really good at lower volume (even lower than that JMP volume, lol...that's not exactly whisper quiet!) Even with KT88 it'll be fine at lower volumes. Check the bias on it though (see the biasing page from the support link, or the link in the "manual" page; you just need a regular volt meter that reads mV DC and a small screwdriver). It's good to check the bias when you get it, since people tend to change tubes in these and then sell them with "whatever" in there set "who knows".

Here's that link too:

http://petersamplification.com/?page_id=73

Um..yeah that's a good price! Lol! That's too low actually. But more power to you!

The Gryphon and Vega sound different enough but they're similar in a number of ways. Gryphon is higher gain, Vega is more classic and lower gain by comparison.

Oh and it sounds different enough from a JMP...at least to everyone I know who's used either of those channels. If you were talking about the Regulus channel, that's a lot closer. The Vega is in the ballpark but sounds/feels different (it's more of a "modified Marshall" sound, 80s type). Gryphon is higher gain and unique.

 

[LPMojoGL]

"a quad of... KT88's... too loud for around the house?"

Really?

It might sound great at low volumes, but if you need something for around the house a quad of KT88's might be a problem.

That said, get it.

Yeah, I know. Way overkill, but that's why I asked. Some amps, like the JJ100, sound fine at lower volumes. And some amps, like my 5 watt Fargen Townhouse, with no master, are downright rude around the house.
Doesn't need to be bedroom, but can't do wall-shaking too often. I have EL34s I can slap in there.
And, funny, you said get it anyway! lol Thanks for the input.

Be sure to read the "manual" page on my site for info about how it works, and suggested initial settings:

http://petersamplification.com/?page_id=1286

Also check the FAQ for "suggested settings" (4th from the top

http://petersamplification.com/?page_id=76

You shouldn't have a problem making it sound really good at lower volume (even lower than that JMP volume, lol...that's not exactly whisper quiet!) Even with KT88 it'll be fine at lower volumes. Check the bias on it though (see the biasing page from the support link, or the link in the "manual" page; you just need a regular volt meter that reads mV DC and a small screwdriver). It's good to check the bias when you get it, since people tend to change tubes in these and then sell them with "whatever" in there set "who knows".

Here's that link too:

http://petersamplification.com/?page_id=73

Um..yeah that's a good price! Lol! That's too low actually. But more power to you!

The Gryphon and Vega sound different enough but they're similar in a number of ways. Gryphon is higher gain, Vega is more classic and lower gain by comparison.

Oh and it sounds different enough from a JMP...at least to everyone I know who's used either of those channels. If you were talking about the Regulus channel, that's a lot closer. The Vega is in the ballpark but sounds/feels different (it's more of a "modified Marshall" sound, 80s type). Gryphon is higher gain and unique.

Thanks for the great info and links! I've read a lot of positive reviews on your amps, and the clips are fantastic. I'm excited to finally be able to put my hands on one.
I'm guessing this is an older one, as it doesn't have the channel led indicators. But everything else looks like your more recent amps.

I'll check the bias first thing when I fire it up. Oh yeah, guess I'll be grabbing it tomorrow. lol

Thanks for the info guys!!!!

 

[flimz]

The master volume on my Peters Triple is awesome. Just as good as any Bogner or Friedman Ive owned. Of course, the glory is at the higher volumes. Mine has EL34s.

Ive tried the various channel volumes low/master high... and master low/channel volumes high. Havent noticed too much of a difference there. So I run my channel levels around 12-1 oclock and with the master about 10-11..its Loud. At 12-1 on the master youre peeling paint!

The really cool thing about the Vega channel is the crunch switch...if your amp has it. It seems to change the compression and feel a bit, rather than adding gain. Really cool!

 

[hstlaurent]

My Vega/GNL has 6550 in it. I play it at low volume all the time and it sounds awesome. I wouldn't think twice and go for it.

 

[sleewell2]

seems like 1400 is a fair price for a dual. others priced higher have not sold so it doesn't appear market value is much higher than that.

 

[JamesPeters]

Thanks for the great info and links! I've read a lot of positive reviews on your amps, and the clips are fantastic. I'm excited to finally be able to put my hands on one.
I'm guessing this is an older one, as it doesn't have the channel led indicators. But everything else looks like your more recent amps.

I'll check the bias first thing when I fire it up. Oh yeah, guess I'll be grabbing it tomorrow. lol

Thanks for the info guys!!!!

Glad to help! I hope you like it!

seems like 1400 is a fair price for a dual. others priced higher have not sold so it doesn't appear market value is much higher than that.

My perspective has only been from talking with people who've bought used amps (and hearing from them what they paid), since I don't look around the classifieds. I've heard the used market in general is soft, so I guess I'm not surprised some of the amps haven't sold. It also depends on what channel designs or cosmetics are more appealing to the buyer. (Or possibly where the seller lists it.) If people aren't in a rush to sell one, they should be able to sell for more than that. A 2008 model recently sold locally for $1900 (older than this one).

 

[VC4Ever]

That's a steal, I would jump on it.

 

[LPMojoGL]

Jumped on it. Been playing it for hours.

 

[hstlaurent]

 

[bbaug14]

You just stole that amp. Congrats! Peters doesn't get the recognition it deserves. Truly incredible amps.

 

[LPMojoGL]

You just stole that amp. Congrats! Peters doesn't get the recognition it deserves. Truly incredible amps.

Thanks man. I'm really digging the Gryphon channel on this thing. I can already say it's one of my fav hi-gainers I've had. It's pretty much what I wanted the Mesa Recto or Peavey 5150 to be. No pedals needed to get there.

 

[VC4Ever]

Gryphon is my favorite channel as well. Glad your digging your new amp.

 

[LPMojoGL]

Gryphon is my favorite channel as well. Glad your digging your new amp.

Thanks! I've talked with James in pm, and based on those conversation and some tweaking, I really have both channels dialed in. It takes a minute to get what everything does and how it affects the overall sound.
The way this amp is, I'm gonna think of it as two different hi-gain amps. No rhythm/lead, or heavier/cleaner.
They're both heavy, gainy, and lots of fun. Both can cover the same ground, just do it a bit differently. Gryphon is definitely versatile and can cover it all, I think.
Experimenting with speakers is next. Right now it's on a Bogner 2x12 with a H75/V30 mix. It's kinda of bright. I think 2 v30s, or maybe greenbacks is the way to go. We'll see!

 

[firejack]

The Master Volume combined with the Power Section's Damping, Depth and Presence controls will get you great sounds at any volume level.
I use my Peters amp for home practice at whisper-quiet volume levels with the kids sleeping in the next room and the sound is still totally inspirational.

Thanks! I've talked with James in pm, and based on those conversation and some tweaking, I really have both channels dialed in. It takes a minute to get what everything does and how it affects the overall sound.
The way this amp is, I'm gonna think of it as two different hi-gain amps. No rhythm/lead, or heavier/cleaner.
They're both heavy, gainy, and lots of fun. Both can cover the same ground, just do it a bit differently. Gryphon is definitely versatile and can cover it all, I think.
Experimenting with speakers is next. Right now it's on a Bogner 2x12 with a H75/V30 mix. It's kinda of bright. I think 2 v30s, or maybe greenbacks is the way to go. We'll see!

I liked my Gryphon the best through a G12H30 Anniversary/V30 mix. All V30's was also very cool.
My GNL sounds best with a Creamback65/V30 mix.

 

[LPMojoGL]

The Master Volume combined with the Power Section's Damping, Depth and Presence controls will get you great sounds at any volume level. I use my Peters amp for home practice at whisper-quiet volume levels with the kids sleeping in the next room and the sound is still totally inspirational.

Thanks! I've talked with James in pm, and based on those conversation and some tweaking, I really have both channels dialed in. It takes a minute to get what everything does and how it affects the overall sound.
The way this amp is, I'm gonna think of it as two different hi-gain amps. No rhythm/lead, or heavier/cleaner.
They're both heavy, gainy, and lots of fun. Both can cover the same ground, just do it a bit differently. Gryphon is definitely versatile and can cover it all, I think.
Experimenting with speakers is next. Right now it's on a Bogner 2x12 with a H75/V30 mix. It's kinda of bright. I think 2 v30s, or maybe greenbacks is the way to go. We'll see!

I liked my Gryphon the best through a G12H30 Anniversary/V30 mix. All V30's was also very cool.
My GNL sounds best with a Creamback65/V30 mix.

Hey man, I've listened to many of your clips. Thanks for putting em up!
Any suggestions on how to set it up so it's not thin or harsh with that speaker combo is most welcome.
I just realized today how dialing back the damping helps with that. I had it cranked at first, which was very up front, but the high strings were slicing thru my brain. I've dialed back the damping, and things are more like what I'm used to.
Any suggestions on settings at all are most welcome. I have it dialed in for my Les Paul with Seth Lover bridge now. I bet there are lots of sounds to be discovered in here.
And yeah, I've already recorded at bedroom volumes late at night with it. Good stuff!

 

[firejack]

Hey man, I've listened to many of your clips. Thanks for putting em up!
Any suggestions on how to set it up so it's not thin or harsh with that speaker combo is most welcome.
I just realized today how dialing back the damping helps with that. I had it cranked at first, which was very up front, but the high strings were slicing thru my brain. I've dialed back the damping, and things are more like what I'm used to.
Any suggestions on settings at all are most welcome. I have it dialed in for my Les Paul with Seth Lover bridge now. I bet there are lots of sounds to be discovered in here.
And yeah, I've already recorded at bedroom volumes late at night with it. Good stuff!

Cheers man, no worries at all.
I've never really liked H75 speakers as I've always found them too sharp in the highs for my preferences.
And I'm not sure what type of cab you have, but if the cab has front-loaded speakers then that will further enhance any shrillness.
I think the safe bet is just to grab another V30 speaker since they are so readily available. And the Gryphon channel really does shine through all V30's. I only experimented with the G12H30 Anniversary to help enhance the clean tones from my Halo channel. So since your Peters is a dual-overdrive variant, all V30's would be perfect.

Yep I agree, for my tastes the Gryphon sounds best with the Damping set no higher than halfway.
Makes it sound very thick and chewy with just the right amount of sizzle.
And another thing to note with the Gryphon is that it is extremely responsive to input. It can sound very different depending on what guitar/pickups you plug into it, and how you attack the strings.
For more extreme metal tones, I found using mid-focused pickups or a TubeScreamer-type boost pedal added just the right amount of percussive attack to the Gryphon's rich throaty growl for a unique and ripping tone.

Keep us posted mate.

 

[FourT6and2]

 

[LPMojoGL]

Just spent another hour playing with my Peters.

I reeeeaaally like this amp.

Anyone interested in hot-rodded Marshall or modern hi-gain tones would dig this amp.
The feel and voicing can be dialed in just right. It's all fun from there.

Rox!