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Geo
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I must just be old fashioned, I always solder speaker connections.
valve
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yeah, of course it works, but you can pickup up UNNECESSARY buzz if it's done this way. Far from optimal.Seems to work fine for DiMarzio and Mayones
It's a high impedance Signal, it prone to noise.
FourT6and2
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Exactly
I suppose lots of things in this world can happen. But let me ask you a few questions:
1. Have you tried either system? Do they work? You just admitted that they do.
2. Are pickups themselves shielded?
3. Are pickup cavities shielded in most guitars?
4. Are control cavities shielded in most guitars?
3. Is 0.5mm of unshielded wire underneath the pickup going to cause more buzzing than there already is with regular wiring?
As far as I'm aware, the majority of guitars do not have shielded pickup cavities, nor do they have shielded control cavities, Some do. But not most. And historically, very few do. The connections to the pots are not shielded. The connections to the switches are not shielded. The output jack is not shielded. Some guitars do have shielded control cavities. My Mayones come with copper foil tape everywhere. But guess what... they still slightly hum/buzz like every other guitar in the world. Shielding does not stop that kind of thing, it only prevents some forms of RF and EM interference.
Either way, if someone didn't want to use such a system, they wouldn't have to... Both companies offer their pickups with or without the quick connect system. The wiring is the same for both...
The idea here is simply wishful thinking for all these companies to adopt the same system.
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311boogieman
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My guess is that Duncan has something on their shelf that they have already. If they do, I'd consider them the leader. And yeah, forget about all the various types of pickups - this is for 5 wire humbuckers. Watching that Duncan video that compares like 22 pups makes me want this even more.
FourT6and2
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Yeah, it should work for both humbuckers and single coils (e.g. DiMarzio's solution). I'm sure something could be worked out for piezo and actives, et. al. But would probably be best to focus on passives first and go from there. I don't think people are swapping piezo pickups often enough to matter. Plus, that is already more involved (removing hardware and other electronics).
scottosan
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In singe coils I can understand shields in the pickup cavities. I think shielding in humbuckers guitars is normally unnecessary, but can create multiple paths to ground and produce noise. Between the grounded baseplates and the shielded leads, the body shielding in unnecessaryExactly
I suppose lots of things in this world can happen. But let me ask you a few questions:
1. Have you tried either system? Do they work? You just admitted that they do.
2. Are pickups themselves shielded?
3. Are pickup cavities shielded in most guitars?
4. Are control cavities shielded in most guitars?
3. Is 0.5mm of unshielded wire underneath the pickup going to cause more buzzing than there already is with regular wiring?
As far as I'm aware, the majority of guitars do not have shielded pickup cavities, nor do they have shielded control cavities, Some do. But not most. And historically, very few do. The connections to the pots are not shielded. The connections to the switches are not shielded. The output jack is not shielded. Some guitars do have shielded control cavities. My Mayones come with copper foil tape everywhere. But guess what... they still slightly hum/buzz like every other guitar in the world. Shielding does not stop that kind of thing, it only prevents some forms of RF and EM interference.
Either way, if someone didn't want to use such a system, they wouldn't have to... Both companies offer their pickups with or without the quick connect system. The wiring is the same for both...
The idea here is simply wishful thinking for all these companies to adopt the same system.
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FourT6and2
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Agreed. My point was I don't think DiMarzio or Mayones pickups suffer from an epidemic of more hum/buzz than others.
scottosan
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My observation is the pickups with higher iron content are noisier in the same pickup. Ceramic magnets in the same pickups is much quieter than A2 in the same pickup. A2 being noisier than A5
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valve
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1) i had passive EMGs with that quick-connect and still have several actives (the actives are low impedance so it doesn't matter as much.Exactly
I suppose lots of things in this world can happen. But let me ask you a few questions:
1. Have you tried either system? Do they work? You just admitted that they do.
2. Are pickups themselves shielded?
3. Are pickup cavities shielded in most guitars?
4. Are control cavities shielded in most guitars?
3. Is 0.5mm of unshielded wire underneath the pickup going to cause more buzzing than there already is with regular wiring?
As far as I'm aware, the majority of guitars do not have shielded pickup cavities, nor do they have shielded control cavities, Some do. But not most. And historically, very few do. The connections to the pots are not shielded. The connections to the switches are not shielded. The output jack is not shielded. Some guitars do have shielded control cavities. My Mayones come with copper foil tape everywhere. But guess what... they still slightly hum/buzz like every other guitar in the world. Shielding does not stop that kind of thing, it only prevents some forms of RF and EM interference.
Either way, if someone didn't want to use such a system, they wouldn't have to... Both companies offer their pickups with or without the quick connect system. The wiring is the same for both...
The idea here is simply wishful thinking for all these companies to adopt the same system.
i had the EMG quick connect fail on me twice (unplugged under PU because the wires got moved somehow)
2) duncan moderate & high output pickups have a grounded copper foil around the windings, so yes it is an option.
a nickel silver pickup cover does also exactly that.
3+4)if the guitar/pickup cavity isn't shielded, a shielded cable would be even more important.
5)it's not 0,5mm. the whole header + plug is unshielded, that's at least 2cm where the shield is not wrapped around the wire carrying the signal.
maybe not more but additional unnecessary hum!
the point is, some hum can't be eliminated, but why would you accept unnecessary hum just for the convenience of a possible PU swap done only by a small percent of crazy people (which is including me) for the maybe 3 times? in an instruments livetime?
hum or buzz doesn't bother me too much personally and my home isn't a big problem (but i have been to places where it is an issue).
The worst pickup swap is a tele bridge (unmouting the bridge plate and new intonation required afterward) ! will always be shitty, quick connect won't change that. soldering isn't the problem...
if this will be an industry std. it should better than a cheap 2.54mm header IMHO.
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