Piracy Is Bad, M'kaaay?

[xXDaveyJonesXx]

http://www.vice.com/read/the-man-wh...ke-the-music-industry-111?utm_source=vicefbus

I started the article in a good enough mood. But now I'm just sick.

Why would you make it a point to snuff out the voice of the real victims (musicians) in a book outlining events that ultimately lead to crippling their livelihood and then befriending the scumbag "responsible" for it all, knowing that he's still actively pursuing illegal activity along the same vein and basically applauding him for it unless the author is on the wrong side of the fight? Way to reveal your bias.

And what's the real significance of this guy he found, anyway? It's not like he created any software with intent to capitalize on the industry. He took advantage of the MP3 format the same way any other scumbag eventually would have. Only difference being that they would've had to do it upon album release. Big deal.

I've read enough. Dude's not a journalist. He's a hack, and apparently advocating piracy. I wouldn't read or recommend it even if I downloaded and distributed it for free.

And then this guy?!

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-music-will-make-people-pay-for-music-2015-6

Let me get straight... this entitled generation not only wants, but flat out demands their music for the low rate of nothing? Do they have ANY idea what... Fuggit.

Fine. We'll see what incentive guys like this have to keep contributing to society when there's no value put on their services. Whatever the fuck that was.

Beam me up, Scotty.

 

[squank]

I heard an interview of this guy on the radio earlier this week - maybe on NPR. I remember being pissed off most of the time. They described their friends in music companies repeatedly leaking CDs online weeks before they were to go on sale, and all their co-conspirators worldwide willing to download and share via Limewire and Napster.

Gene Simmons isn't often right, but he hit the nail on the head when he said, "The music industry is dead, and the fans killed it."

 

[xXDaveyJonesXx]

...Gene Simmons isn't often right, but he hit the nail on the head when he said, "The music industry is dead, and the fans killed it."

And for what? Scoring a handful of Top 40 singles now and then for their daily commute? Where they don't have to worry about their services being compromised, demanding harder work and more creative engenuity for a fraction of their pay?

 

[Deanmachine]

Check out Dave lowery ( cracker) at the trichordist if you really want your blood to boil..

 

[Bloodrock]

Lately I'm feeling pretty lucky to have grown up in an era where rock ruled music and mtv was the best band marketing tool there was. Seeing how far it's gone off the rails since the late 90's just makes me sick. Now every band is a one hit wonder at best, kids that actually PAY for their music have never even purchased more than one song from an album, and most popular music is made entirely on a computer with no instruments. You guys that are still out there grinding away in the clubs for little money are the real heroes keeping our teenage rock n roll dreams alive. Hopefully it will come full circle one day,but it doesn't look like it will be any day soon.

 

[anomaly]

Ya, it is.... doesn't stop most of us though, does it??

 

[chunktone]

The sad thing is looking to the future, without great music. When people know there is no chance of making a living in music, they will not even bother honing their talent. So the next Elvis, Aretha Franklin, James Brown, Metallica etc... will not exist. People are happy to spend $10, 20 or 30+ on a meal that will last maybe a hour, but can't be bothered to spend $12 on a CD!

 

[justinl101]

Music is by no means going to die do to piracy, piracy is the fault of the music industry not keeping up with technology. People just need to wake up and realise that the way music made money is dieing, but that doesn't mean there isn't money to be made off your music. The days of bands chasing fans with 15 dollar albums are over, but that doesn't mean that equivilent if not more can't be made, through online marketing. All forums of media are taking hard hits because the model is changing at an absurd rate. This is the greatest time for musicans, it's easier and cheaper than ever to be heard. With a little understanding of how money flows through the web, any band get get they're hands on the equivilent they would've in the 60's 70's and 80's (Which for most shitty bands back in the day was a whole lotta nothing anyway.) And mountians and mountians if they actually have to talent to be worth listening to.

The majority of people who are actually suffering from piracy, are executives who generally don't give two fucks about your music and just want to know why they're excel numbers are a decimal off now."Piracy" is the best chance music and creative media has had to fall back into the hands of the musicans

You can't blame the fans because the business model can't keep up with the flow of media. Sure there are pricks that give no fucks, but the same jackass's wouldn't have gave any fucks in a differen't era.

 

[shredhead7]

Music is by no means going to die do to piracy, piracy is the fault of the music industry not keeping up with technology. People just need to wake up and realise that the way music made money is dieing, but that doesn't mean there isn't money to be made off your music. The days of bands chasing fans with 15 dollar albums are over, but that doesn't mean that equivilent if not more can't be made, through online marketing. All forums of media are taking hard hits because the model is changing at an absurd rate. This is the greatest time for musicans, it's easier and cheaper than ever to be heard. With a little understanding of how money flows through the web, any band get get they're hands on the equivilent they would've in the 60's 70's and 80's (Which for most shitty bands back in the day was a whole lotta nothing anyway.) And mountians and mountians if they actually have to talent to be worth listening to.

The majority of people who are actually suffering from piracy, are executives who generally don't give two fucks about your music and just want to know why they're excel numbers are a decimal off now."Piracy" is the best chance music and creative media has had to fall back into the hands of the musicans

You can't blame the fans because the business model can't keep up with the flow of media. Sure there are pricks that give no fucks, but the same jackass's wouldn't have gave any fucks in a differen't era.

I agree. Music has been with us since the dawn of time. They've found flutes carved from bones that are 20,000 years old. We don't need the industry and people will continue to make music. As a musician, does it suck that there is no money in it? Yes, but there is money in it and there are still labels or distribution avenues for us. Taylor Swift makes more money than God, as does Katy Perry, et al. They some how are managing.

Are people mad because it's not them that is making the money? Rap artists, recording in their own home studios are making money, selling singles and ring tones. I remember when .50 was coming up, he said that he made $1 per ring tone and had sold 3,000,000. If you're upset because you didn't get your chance or get signed, why? The dude from Tesseract used to post all the time on HC and made a name for himself. Maybe he didn't get rich, but lets face it, extreme music (and anything with death vocals or djenty music) isn't going to be popular, but he's out there are people know him. Maybe you're upset because rock is dead. Well, guess what, blame Nirvana and Pearl Jam, they killed that cow. When anyone could pick up a guitar and learn Smells Like Teen Spirit, or some Disturbed song in '01 during their first lesson, the mystery was gone. It's like a magic trick, once you know the secret, it's no longer magic. When music was boiled down to it's most basic ingredients, and then further distilled down to one finger chords with vocals that any Joe could sing, the party was over. And guess what, it's not coming back.

The bottom line is, yes, it sucks for artists to spend money on recording and make nothing off of it. But the reality is, they never made money off of it in the first place, until you had two or three successful records. The margins are much more in YOUR favor now. You sell 5000 copies, you make $25000, where as before you had to sell 50,000+ to make that, by the time your got your cut. If you're mad because it's not you making money, or touring the world, then complain to the man in the mirror, because it was never going to happen anyway.

 

[ejecta]

Music is by no means going to die do to piracy, piracy is the fault of the music industry not keeping up with technology. People just need to wake up and realise that the way music made money is dieing, but that doesn't mean there isn't money to be made off your music. The days of bands chasing fans with 15 dollar albums are over, but that doesn't mean that equivilent if not more can't be made, through online marketing. All forums of media are taking hard hits because the model is changing at an absurd rate. This is the greatest time for musicans, it's easier and cheaper than ever to be heard. With a little understanding of how money flows through the web, any band get get they're hands on the equivilent they would've in the 60's 70's and 80's (Which for most shitty bands back in the day was a whole lotta nothing anyway.) And mountians and mountians if they actually have to talent to be worth listening to.

The majority of people who are actually suffering from piracy, are executives who generally don't give two fucks about your music and just want to know why they're excel numbers are a decimal off now."Piracy" is the best chance music and creative media has had to fall back into the hands of the musicans

You can't blame the fans because the business model can't keep up with the flow of media. Sure there are pricks that give no fucks, but the same jackass's wouldn't have gave any fucks in a differen't era.

I agree. Music has been with us since the dawn of time. They've found flutes carved from bones that are 20,000 years old. We don't need the industry and people will continue to make music. As a musician, does it suck that there is no money in it? Yes, but there is money in it and there are still labels or distribution avenues for us. Taylor Swift makes more money than God, as does Katy Perry, et al. They some how are managing.

Are people mad because it's not them that is making the money? Rap artists, recording in their own home studios are making money, selling singles and ring tones. I remember when .50 was coming up, he said that he made $1 per ring tone and had sold 3,000,000. If you're upset because you didn't get your chance or get signed, why? The dude from Tesseract used to post all the time on HC and made a name for himself. Maybe he didn't get rich, but lets face it, extreme music (and anything with death vocals or djenty music) isn't going to be popular, but he's out there are people know him. Maybe you're upset because rock is dead. Well, guess what, blame Nirvana and Pearl Jam, they killed that cow. When anyone could pick up a guitar and learn Smells Like Teen Spirit, or some Disturbed song in '01 during their first lesson, the mystery was gone. It's like a magic trick, once you know the secret, it's no longer magic. When music was boiled down to it's most basic ingredients, and then further distilled down to one finger chords with vocals that any Joe could sing, the party was over. And guess what, it's not coming back.

The bottom line is, yes, it sucks for artists to spend money on recording and make nothing off of it. But the reality is, they never made money off of it in the first place, until you had two or three successful records. The margins are much more in YOUR favor now. You sell 5000 copies, you make $25000, where as before you had to sell 50,000+ to make that, by the time your got your cut. If you're mad because it's not you making money, or touring the world, then complain to the man in the mirror, because it was never going to happen anyway.

Well said.......... well except the Nirvana and Pearl Jam bullshit. They may have killed your precious 80's hair metal but honestly it needed to die.

 

[squank]

Music is by no means going to die do to piracy, piracy is the fault of the music industry not keeping up with technology. People just need to wake up and realise that the way music made money is dieing, but that doesn't mean there isn't money to be made off your music. The days of bands chasing fans with 15 dollar albums are over, but that doesn't mean that equivilent if not more can't be made, through online marketing. All forums of media are taking hard hits because the model is changing at an absurd rate. This is the greatest time for musicans, it's easier and cheaper than ever to be heard. With a little understanding of how money flows through the web, any band get get they're hands on the equivilent they would've in the 60's 70's and 80's (Which for most shitty bands back in the day was a whole lotta nothing anyway.) And mountians and mountians if they actually have to talent to be worth listening to.

The majority of people who are actually suffering from piracy, are executives who generally don't give two fucks about your music and just want to know why they're excel numbers are a decimal off now."Piracy" is the best chance music and creative media has had to fall back into the hands of the musicans

You can't blame the fans because the business model can't keep up with the flow of media. Sure there are pricks that give no fucks, but the same jackass's wouldn't have gave any fucks in a differen't era.

I agree. Music has been with us since the dawn of time. They've found flutes carved from bones that are 20,000 years old. We don't need the industry and people will continue to make music. As a musician, does it suck that there is no money in it? Yes, but there is money in it and there are still labels or distribution avenues for us. Taylor Swift makes more money than God, as does Katy Perry, et al. They some how are managing.

Are people mad because it's not them that is making the money? Rap artists, recording in their own home studios are making money, selling singles and ring tones. I remember when .50 was coming up, he said that he made $1 per ring tone and had sold 3,000,000. If you're upset because you didn't get your chance or get signed, why? The dude from Tesseract used to post all the time on HC and made a name for himself. Maybe he didn't get rich, but lets face it, extreme music (and anything with death vocals or djenty music) isn't going to be popular, but he's out there are people know him. Maybe you're upset because rock is dead. Well, guess what, blame Nirvana and Pearl Jam, they killed that cow. When anyone could pick up a guitar and learn Smells Like Teen Spirit, or some Disturbed song in '01 during their first lesson, the mystery was gone. It's like a magic trick, once you know the secret, it's no longer magic. When music was boiled down to it's most basic ingredients, and then further distilled down to one finger chords with vocals that any Joe could sing, the party was over. And guess what, it's not coming back.

The bottom line is, yes, it sucks for artists to spend money on recording and make nothing off of it. But the reality is, they never made money off of it in the first place, until you had two or three successful records. The margins are much more in YOUR favor now. You sell 5000 copies, you make $25000, where as before you had to sell 50,000+ to make that, by the time your got your cut. If you're mad because it's not you making money, or touring the world, then complain to the man in the mirror, because it was never going to happen anyway.

There's a lot of truth in this post. People who grew up playing music in the 60s, 70s, or even 80s are used to a single music business model. It started changing in the late 80s, starting with hip hop and rap. They had no access initially to normal record contracts or record company studio time, so they just scrapped and recorded on the cheap, distributing CDs at their shows and out of their trunks. Then MC Hammer blew up, selling this new model into the mainstream big time, but most of us just looked at him as an anomoly.

By the 90s, we were passing the point of no return. The problem was the change wasn't obvious to the mainstream musician because we all still saw the standard model working with the huge bands like GnR, Nirvana, etc. Even today, the mega stars with staying power are still recording in old school studios and have huge promo and distribution contracts with the major labels. They aren't doing shit to promote themselves, so the image to the casual observer of the music business is that nothing has changed radically.

You don't hear young people complain about the current music business model - they see only opportunity at relatively low cost to enter. It's us older guys that complain of the loss of our glory days. And yes, it is sad. We can complain and remain invisible or adapt and possibly get heard.

 

[justinl101]

The term SEO Marketing should be well known to any person who wants to be able to self promote them selves

 

[ejecta]

If you are creative there are ways to make it work in today's world. But then again not all musicians are creative in the right way but these guys are.

With 10 Songs Of Silence, Band Puts Free Tour On Spotify's Tab

STRATTON: It's a collection of absolute silence. Ten tracks. The ploy generates cash through Spotify, a music streaming service. Listen to the album all night long, Stratton says.
When you listen to a Vulfpeck song on Spotify, Spotify pays us a half a cent. So if you were to listen to "Sleepify" all night on repeat, you'd generate $4.

http://www.npr.org/2014/03/19/291475091 ... otifys-tab

 

[Deanmachine]

If bands are to give away there songs maybey the code writers will give away there codes..doubt it!

 

[xXDaveyJonesXx]

If you are creative there are ways to make it work in today's world. But then again not all musicians are creative in the right way but these guys are.

With 10 Songs Of Silence, Band Puts Free Tour On Spotify's Tab

STRATTON: It's a collection of absolute silence. Ten tracks. The ploy generates cash through Spotify, a music streaming service. Listen to the album all night long, Stratton says.
When you listen to a Vulfpeck song on Spotify, Spotify pays us a half a cent. So if you were to listen to "Sleepify" all night on repeat, you'd generate $4.

http://www.npr.org/2014/03/19/291475091 ... otifys-tab

Bloody brilliant.

 

[IHateRap]

I can't remember the last time I illegally obtained music. Honestly, most of today's music doesn't interest me...even for free. If I happen to hear something that I like, I buy it.

 

[ejecta]

If you are creative there are ways to make it work in today's world. But then again not all musicians are creative in the right way but these guys are.

With 10 Songs Of Silence, Band Puts Free Tour On Spotify's Tab

STRATTON: It's a collection of absolute silence. Ten tracks. The ploy generates cash through Spotify, a music streaming service. Listen to the album all night long, Stratton says.
When you listen to a Vulfpeck song on Spotify, Spotify pays us a half a cent. So if you were to listen to "Sleepify" all night on repeat, you'd generate $4.

http://www.npr.org/2014/03/19/291475091 ... otifys-tab

Bloody brilliant.

It really is. Music won't die but musicians having to go into debt for millions for a "record deal" will and to large part already has. It'll still take a lot of luck to make millions but that's always been the case. The wishing for things to go back to the times of big labels by working musicians is just mind blowing to me. It reminds me of the line in Liar Liar where Jim Carey is talking about Tina Turner...."Hit me again Ike but this time put some stank on it!"

 

[justinl101]

If bands are to give away there songs maybey the code writers will give away there codes..doubt it!

It's called open source....and most coders are advocates of it. Open source is the future, and proprietary models will fail eventually, it slows down human progress.

Why try and have 20 people try and push 20 different boulder's up a hill when you only need one?Logically it makes no sense.

It's only giving your song away if you don't ask for money. The problem is musicians can't seem to grasp is they no longer get big paycheck from album and song sales. They get money from affiliate marketing. Why get paid to sell a song once. When you can get paid for every time you get someone to come listen to your music.

The age of cloud computing is on the worlds doorstep, and it will leave you behind.

 

[tak]

If bands are to give away there songs maybey the code writers will give away there codes..doubt it!

The majority of all open source software projects that are any decent sort of size in scope always seem to be primarily coded by paid, working employees - whether their employer is funding the open source project entirely or is just a major user of it.

 

[tak]

One of my local morning radio shows start asking listeners whether they thought music should be a fee based item a few months ago. I was absolutely shocked that almost 100% callers stated that they thought it was obvious that the music should be free. Only a couple of people who admitted to being working musicians called to say they thought people should pay for music. Is a musician not an artist (yeah, insert your jokes here)? Would these same people think that all art should be free or they shouldn't be paid for their career of choice because it was good for everyone? I guess as an attempted working musician a couple of decades ago, I couldn't fathom the average opinion. I spent over a decade working with the music majors providing retail inventory software and I can absolutely say that they did themselves no favors and proved 100% in attacking piracy/download issues. Having met many people at these companies I can tell you that it is no surprise they screwed it royally.