Preamp Into Poweramp Question

[braintheory]

Yep; running to one side the Coli alone is a better ‘feels like one amp’ thing. But that mono input; honestly the first time I used it I could sense the windows shaking haha…I’d have broken both of them if I’d even halfway cranked it! Insane power.

Wish I knew about that hidden input when I had it. Maybe in the future I can find another. With using just one side of the S400 I wasn’t too impressed. It wasn’t just the feel of 1 amp. The coli’s and even my iic+ hrg used as a Poweramp had more punch and just better (no GEQ used to make it fair). I’m curious if there’s some way (maybe a mod?) to use both sides of a stereo Poweramp on some of the other poweramps. I have a HH V800 and VHT 2150 and I like them better than I remember liking the S400 using just one of the 2 sides, so having 1 like the S400 could be epic. The Langner one is just one, not stereo, but just 4 powertubes

 

[braintheory]

Sam, try this for fun…slave your HRG C+ into the C+ Coli. You can use the line out on the HRG, into the fx return of the Coli. Both hooked up to speakers of course. Now, you’ll be able to not only use the GEQ of the HRG but also the GEQ of the Coli.
No more evil dark tones are possible anywhere, ever unless 2 Marks are used.
Double scoop for the win!! ???

The other brutal slave combos I’ve had was slaving into the Megalith Beta or Uber Rev 1. Obviously it’s not that double scoop thing, but similarly brutal/cartoonish in their own way. With the Beta you get crazy sub lows (lows hitting you below the ankles)

 

[braintheory]

Don't assume that the send and return break points will be placed in the same circuit location between various amps, particularly with different brands of amplifiers. Then there's the matter of whether the loop in question is nothing more than a patch point or a highly buffered circuit itself. I do see the point of this experiment and have done it myself but the results can be misleading if you don't understand what you're doing.

With as many amps as you have and have had, I'm shocked and a little bit concerned you didn't know about the neccessity of the amp load requirement. Sorry but it's kind of like owning expensive sports cars and not realizing they need oil in addition to fuel. This is basic amp knowledge 101 stuff.

Also, if it helps, these are some of the amps I was planning to use just pre’s and power for: Uberschall Rev 1, Cameron CCV, Naylor, MI Audio Megalith Beta, Reason SM50, Soldano SLO, Wizard MTL. I’m trying to do what I can to see what just the power and pre’s of these amps are doing soundwise, but I understand from what you’re saying it may not be possible to fully isolate them all

 

[Racerxrated]

Wish I knew about that hidden input when I had it. Maybe in the future I can find another. With using just one side of the S400 I wasn’t too impressed. It wasn’t just the feel of 1 amp. The coli’s and even my iic+ hrg used as a Poweramp had more punch and just better (no GEQ used to make it fair). I’m curious if there’s some way (maybe a mod?) to use both sides of a stereo Poweramp on some of the other poweramps. I have a HH V800 and VHT 2150 and I like them better than I remember liking the S400 using just one of the 2 sides, so having 1 like the S400 could be epic. The Langner one is just one, not stereo, but just 4 powertubes

You can still do that by splitting the signal with a stereo chorus or an ABY or similar but the mono input seemed ‘beastliest’ compared to me splitting it into each side. I know with Pa power amps; you can ‘bridge mono’ them for optimum power.

 

[thegame]

Also, if it helps, these are some of the amps I was planning to use just pre’s and power for: Uberschall Rev 1, Cameron CCV, Naylor, MI Audio Megalith Beta, Reason SM50, Soldano SLO, Wizard MTL. I’m trying to do what I can to see what just the power and pre’s of these amps are doing soundwise, but I understand from what you’re saying it may not be possible to fully isolate them all

Ok, forget what I said before. You've got to take all those amps and try the human centipede mod. It's a method of connection whereby you plug your guitar into the first amp, then the first amp's SPEAKER out goes into the second amp's input (using speaker cable) and so on. Very important, the last amp MUST have a speaker connected. You want to hear the explosion, right? It'd be foolish otherwise. Oh, and the amps should be ordered by lowest to highest wattage for best tone.

BTW, yes I am testing you. If you pass, you're ready for the simpler pre/power slaving experiment.

 

[braintheory]

Ok, forget what I said before. You've got to take all those amps and try the human centipede mod. It's a method of connection whereby you plug your guitar into the first amp, then the first amp's SPEAKER out goes into the second amp's input (using speaker cable) and so on. Very important, the last amp MUST have a speaker connected. You want to hear the explosion, right? It'd be foolish otherwise. Oh, and the amps should be ordered by lowest to highest wattage for best tone.

BTW, yes I am testing you. If you pass, you're ready for the simpler pre/power slaving experiment.

Lol yeah no. Just one amp at a time for pre and another one at a time for power. I guess if I’m not in each case hearing just the pre or power alone then it is what it is. Can still be informative even if not a perfect test

 

[braintheory]

You can still do that by splitting the signal with a stereo chorus or an ABY or similar but the mono input seemed ‘beastliest’ compared to me splitting it into each side. I know with Pa power amps; you can ‘bridge mono’ them for optimum power.

I wonder if a good tech could possibly add a mono jack for either of my current 2 stereo poweramps (and then maybe not need to revisit a S400 hopefully lol). IME so far, at least with using just one side of the various poweramps I’ve had, I would describe them as generally less beastly sounding than slaving into my heads for poweramps, but they seem to sound more balanced or cleaner, so I guess pros & cons to both. Sometimes slaving into my amps for Poweramp can sound a bit messy vs the rack poweramps

 

[Racerxrated]

I wonder if a good tech could possibly add a mono jack for either of my current 2 stereo poweramps (and then maybe not need to revisit a S400 hopefully lol). IME so far, at least with using just one side of the various poweramps I’ve had, I would describe them as generally less beastly sounding than slaving into my heads for poweramps, but they seem to sound more balanced or cleaner, so I guess pros & cons to both. Sometimes slaving into my amps for Poweramp can sound a bit messy

I’m sure it can be done. Check it out with your tech in Long Island.