Proof the Earth is round

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311boogieman said:
With your logic, which I respect but disagree with, how do you converse with 'people' on the Internet? Can you see for yourself the Internet? How do you even find these Youtube clips and examples? How do you trust that stuff as real if you can't actually touch it and see it with your own eyes? Is the router that connects you fake? Is it run by a corrupt government? Don't the pixels on your screen deceive you? Do you trust the 110v electrical source that powers all of this? Is the water in running in your coffee pot hot enough and safe to drink? Did you witness the writing of the Scriptures?

You get my point :D
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Correct me if wrong, but your point seems to be that if one takes an ultra skeptical view on something as 'foundational' as the shape of the earth then how can one believe or trust anything? I think this is why a lot of people react so strongly to the idea of 'flat earth'. It calls into question the nature of reality, like the Matrix movie. But for many of us, being red-pilled is something that has been ongoing for a while, so questioning something so fundamental doesn't really threaten us. But I am not sure there is any tension or dissonance regardless. I don't have any trouble doubting or disbelieving something I have heard claimed while at the same time relying on my own senses to verify or trust other things that are claimed. I evaluate each claim the best I can on it's merits and trust 'experts' based on their credentials, histories and a personal assessment of their credibility (As well as the potential for conflicts of interest and other biases).
 
Everyone subjectively weighs evidence in order to come to a conclusion. For many people this is simply a matter of hearing whatever "the expert consensus". That's fine, but once you realize that knowledge is power, and people can be manipulated for selfish ends, one starts to question things a little and do their own thinking. I'm not suggesting that everyone who believe ball earth hasn't done their own thinking or research, but probably the vast majority of people just believe what they are first taught.

In the case of the shape of the earth, IMO the globe advocates have the onus of proof, as nothing about our daily experience supports the extraordinary claim we are on a large spinning ball: We can't see any curvature, we can't feel it's motion, we can only theorize the existence of gravity (We can debate the Cavendish experiment), we can't demonstrate the supposed perfect adherence of water to a spinning sphere, the existence of a pressurized system (Earth's atmosphere) next to a vacuum, etc. On the other hand, every natural phenomena that I am aware of has adequate alternative explanations, whether eclipses, the movement of the sun, the rotation of the stars, the seasons and so on.
 
Bad Brain said:
Everyone subjectively weighs evidence in order to come to a conclusion. For many people this is simply a matter of hearing whatever "the expert consensus". That's fine, but once you realize that knowledge is power, and people can be manipulated for selfish ends, one starts to question things a little and do their own thinking. I'm not suggesting that everyone who believe ball earth hasn't done their own thinking or research, but probably the vast majority of people just believe what they are first taught.

In the case of the shape of the earth, IMO the globe advocates have the onus of proof, as nothing about our daily experience supports the extraordinary claim we are on a large spinning ball: We can't see any curvature, we can't feel it's motion, we can only theorize the existence of gravity (We can debate the Cavendish experiment), we can't demonstrate the supposed perfect adherence of water to a spinning sphere, the existence of a pressurized system (Earth's atmosphere) next to a vacuum and so on. On the other hand, every natural phenomena that I am aware of has adequate alternative explanations, whether eclipses, the movement of the sun, the rotation of the stars, the seasons and so on.
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Well dude, guys way fucking smarter than everyone here except Dan have done plenty of thinking about it. Einstein, Hawking. Pretty sure those guys were mostly right. Earth is a sphere, so are planets, moons, stars, pretty much everything in space with mass.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Well dude, guys way fucking smarter than everyone here except Dan have done plenty of thinking about it. Einstein, Hawking. Pretty sure those guys were mostly right. Earth is a sphere, so are planets, moons, stars, pretty much everything in space with mass.
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I certainly don't claim to be smarter than any of those people (Dan included), but I also trust my gut and my own senses and thinking. I could be wrong. Perhaps an 'incredulity' bias. Really though, once you start thinking about it all, it seems kind of ridiculous.

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Bad Brain said:
I certainly don't claim to be smarter than any of those people (Dan included), but I also trust my gut and my own senses and thinking. I could be wrong. Perhaps an 'incredulity' bias. Really though, once you start thinking about it all, it seems kind of ridiculous.

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Well, I don't think "Gut feelings" mean much when trying to figure out the origin of the universe.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Babe Ruth was a fraud too. And Jimi Hendrix. Holy shit. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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Once you start seeing the patterns of the way certain people are propped up that support certain narratives you start to be more open. Jimi was like the opposite of that. And we can all easily verify that he was a musical genius.
 
Bad Brain said:
I'm also pretty resistant to the cult of personality and these unquestionable genius-gods. There is much evidence that Einstein was a fraud for that matter.
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My bro in law is a doctor of mathematics at a name university. Went through the ivy league on a full ride. One of the smartest "book" types I've never known. His head is globe sized yet he seems unable to discipline any of his children. He's a good guy but it shows you high intelligence can be very limited. There are other forms of intelligence beyond the ability to repeat equations and formulas by heart. Is an idiot savant a genius or just a retard with mad skills in a narrow field?
 
Bad Brain said:
Once you start seeing the patterns of the way certain people are propped up that support certain narratives you start to be more open. Jimi was like the opposite of that. And we can all easily verify that he was a musical genius.
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Did you see him record Are You Experienced ? Did you physically see him play ? How do you know it wasn't faked. How do you know Chas Chandler didn't bring in some session guitarist ? Same with Babe Ruth. Is there even any evidence he existed ? All of these questions make as much sense as believing space, the moon landing, sphere earth and gravity are fake.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Did you see him record Are You Experienced ? Did you physically see him play ? How do you know it wasn't faked. How do you know Chas Chandler didn't bring in some session guitarist ? Same with Babe Ruth. Is there even any evidence he existed ? All of these questions make as much sense as believing space, the moon landing, sphere earth and gravity are fake.
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Incorrect because people I know personally and are trustworthy saw Hendrix play in person in Oakland. You are making false equations between tens of thousands of people who were witness to celebrity vs a few select people making huge claims about the nature of the universe.
 
VonBonfire said:
Incorrect because people I know personally and are trustworthy saw Hendrix play in person in Oakland. You are making false equations between tens of thousands of people who were witness to celebrity vs a few select people making huge claims about the nature of the universe.
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Okay, Neil Armstrong's wife can say the same thing. And you might rethink that. Millions of people were right fucking there when those bombs were dropped on Japan. And tens of thousands of others were involved in creating, producing and delivering those bombs. And millions more in creating all the existing nuclear weapons on the planet currently.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Okay, Neil Armstrong's wife can say the same thing. And you might rethink that. Millions of people were right fucking there when those bombs were dropped on Japan. And tens of thousands of others were involved in creating, producing and delivering those bombs. And millions more in creating all the existing nuclear weapons on the planet currently.
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Except I don't know Neil Armstrong's wife. If I knew Neil or someone close to them personally, I would be a little more apt to take it seriously. They are all gov workers with a vested interest in furthering gov aims. I can't accept anything out of a gov worker's mouth as truth.
 
Bad Brain said:
Everyone subjectively weighs evidence in order to come to a conclusion. For many people this is simply a matter of hearing whatever "the expert consensus". That's fine, but once you realize that knowledge is power, and people can be manipulated for selfish ends, one starts to question things a little and do their own thinking. I'm not suggesting that everyone who believe ball earth hasn't done their own thinking or research, but probably the vast majority of people just believe what they are first taught.

In the case of the shape of the earth, IMO the globe advocates have the onus of proof, as nothing about our daily experience supports the extraordinary claim we are on a large spinning ball: We can't see any curvature, we can't feel it's motion, we can only theorize the existence of gravity (We can debate the Cavendish experiment), we can't demonstrate the supposed perfect adherence of water to a spinning sphere, the existence of a pressurized system (Earth's atmosphere) next to a vacuum, etc. On the other hand, every natural phenomena that I am aware of has adequate alternative explanations, whether eclipses, the movement of the sun, the rotation of the stars, the seasons and so on.
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Look up The Final Experiment on youTube. Summary: a pastor flew a bunch of flat earthers to Antarctica to observe the 24 hour sun. The guys who went finally admitted that the flat earth theory is wrong.

Witness the reaction by the FLERS that did not go and the absurd lengths they go to in order to discredit the incontrovertible evidence produced. Presented by the colorful Prof. Dave

 
Floyd Eye said:
Now I know you’re Acceptance. 😊
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He's already admitted that. :dunno:

He is a good debater, I can tell you that. :yes:


VonBonfire said:
I don't go anywhere except gigs and the gas station
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And Rig-Talk :D


Bad Brain said:
Correct me if wrong, but your point seems to be that if one takes an ultra skeptical view on something as 'foundational' as the shape of the earth then how can one believe or trust anything? I think this is why a lot of people react so strongly to the idea of 'flat earth'. It calls into question the nature of reality, like the Matrix movie. But for many of us, being red-pilled is something that has been ongoing for a while, so questioning something so fundamental doesn't really threaten us. But I am not sure there is any tension or dissonance regardless. I don't have any trouble doubting or disbelieving something I have heard claimed while at the same time relying on my own senses to verify or trust other things that are claimed. I evaluate each claim the best I can on it's merits and trust 'experts' based on their credentials, histories and a personal assessment of their credibility (As well as the potential for conflicts of interest and other biases).
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I get what you are saying, and I think a healthy dose of skepticism is good. But by that same logic you just outlined, if someone sends me a video from their iPhone that shows them zooming into the moons of Jupiter while simultaneously speaking - I have no reason to believe that that AND what I've seen up to this point in my life, tells me objects in space are mostly round. Minus asteroids and even most galaxies appear to be oblong or oval.

Lastly, I'm pretty steadfast on the idea that there seems to be more of an impossibility that China, Russia and host of other countries are all conspiring to trick 8 billion people on this planet (for the last 100 years almost), regarding something that just seems, well.... naturally obvious :dunno:
 
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