Recommend a Delay and Reverb pedal for 80s metal

jchrisf said:
This is interesting. I was using my FM3 in the loop last night and thinking it wasn't that bad. Then I changed it out for my cheap Joyo pedal and it sounded a lot better. The amp is more open and even a little louder.. but definitely a lot more open.

So if I get one of these parallel mixer pedals it should let the amp breath and sound more open with the FM3?

I did a lot of listening to YT videos last night and I do like digital delays and reverbs more. I noticed the SDE3000 is just two racks in a pedal. Should I also be looking at Multi-FX Rack Units?
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Man the TC G Major II and Rocktron Intellifex are both cool units for rack and can be had cheap.
 
jchrisf said:
This is interesting. I was using my FM3 in the loop last night and thinking it wasn't that bad. Then I changed it out for my cheap Joyo pedal and it sounded a lot better. The amp is more open and even a little louder.. but definitely a lot more open.

So if I get one of these parallel mixer pedals it should let the amp breath and sound more open with the FM3?

I did a lot of listening to YT videos last night and I do like digital delays and reverbs more. I noticed the SDE3000 is just two racks in a pedal. Should I also be looking at Multi-FX Rack Units?
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With a parallel line level mixer you can keep your signal analog and just mix in some of the digital tone on top of it. Way more transparent. The downside is the complexity, and you can't use effects that require 100% signal like gate, eq, and tremolo. It is great for modulation, delay, and Reverb. This is how it was done in the 80s and 90s with all the classic rack units.

Yes, I have said online many times that I find the Fractal units remove punch and blur the low end. Many people always argue with me and say they don't hear it.

The problem with looking at rack units is they are all old at this point and don't have modern convenience like USB and computer editors. I have several of them, and they sound great, but I would question that starting today. However, something like an Intellifex has an analog mixer built in, so it sounds more transparent than something that digitizes the whole signal.
 
jchrisf said:
I'm ditching modelers and going tube amp. Which reverb and delay do you recommend for the loop of my amps? I've always played them without but discovered I had a cheap Joyo Analog Delay and Donner Yellow Fall that I forgot about. They sounded really good. Would a more expensive delay actually sound better?

This would be for 80s metal like Dokken, Ozzy, etc.
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I love delay and I like presets so I'm going Strymon Timeline, Source Audio Nemesis (although you'll need to buy an add on pedal to scroll the presets) or the Keeley Halo. All are fantastic and all will sound great in the loop. All also are knob specific, so they have an old school pedal feel instead of programming buttons etc.. and the Timeline gives you a great screen readout.

As a guy who used a rack for decades with racked delay's, all of the above models are just as good and most importantly for me - easy to navigate. The days of me taking a deep dive in programming are long gone. I want something I can adjust quickly and save the preset...those do it easily.
 
Elric said:
Man, modern modelers are so good at this sh*t... I am thankful I can set my amps up to my own satisfaction w/ one. Pedals and pedal boards are such a PITA. I generally put a couple of analog drives in front and then modeler is everything else.
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What modeler do you use?
 
Shask said:
The problem with looking at rack units is they are all old at this point and don't have modern convenience like USB and computer editors. I have several of them, and they sound great, but I would question that starting today. However, something like an Intellifex has an analog mixer built in, so it sounds more transparent than something that digitizes the whole signal.
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I really wish rack was still mainstream. So many great pedals would be even better rack units.
 
GreatRedDragon said:
I really wish rack was still mainstream. So many great pedals would be even better rack units.
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Yeah, I have always loved rack stuff. I still have the Axe II, MPX-1, G Major 2, PEQ2200, Intellifex, Replifex and a Synergy rack. I have a few poweramps and a Samson SM-10 rack line mixer to run all the effects in parallel.

However, having pedals like the SDE-3000D and 2290p, I can appreciate why the world has moved on. Having more surface area for buttons and screens and such is nice. The rack is kinda funny that you have 19" x 10" of blank space on the top, and then like 1 inch for the screen and buttons, lol.
 
Shask said:
Yeah, I have always loved rack stuff. I still have the Axe II, MPX-1, G Major 2, PEQ2200, Intellifex, Replifex and a Synergy rack. I have a few poweramps and a Samson SM-10 rack line mixer to run all the effects in parallel.

However, having pedals like the SDE-3000D and 2290p, I can appreciate why the world has moved on. Having more surface area for buttons and screens and such is nice. The rack is kinda funny that you have 19" x 10" of blank space on the top, and then like 1 inch for the screen and buttons, lol.
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I feel like even a 1U rack unit has more real estate for controls than an equivalent pedal typically has, once you take away the footswitches.

I'm just entering the rack world for the first time, and I find it so much nicer than playing Tetris with pedals, dealing with velcro, and trying to cram stuff like power supplies under the board. I just wish I could get an Eventide Tricerachorus or a Boss RV-500 in rack form.
 
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