Redefining Language

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I watch very little, but when Dune and Dune 2 came out, I watched it. Yellowstone. Certain shit.
I think of all the hours (and cash) I didn't waste in front of a screen sitting passively watching some forgettable show. Is my life less enriched because I didn't see show or movie X? Not even. By shutting off a tv you miss absolutely nothing. I've saved thousands, or rather, spent thousands on more meaningful stuff.
 
I think of all the hours (and cash) I didn't waste in front of a screen sitting passively watching some forgettable show. Is my life less enriched because I didn't see show or movie X? Not even. By shutting off a tv you miss absolutely nothing. I've saved thousands, or rather, spent thousands on more meaningful stuff.
It's a waste for sure. I have almost no time for sitting in front of a tv glued to whatever it is. This TV on the wall over here right now is on the classic cartoon network 24/7 for the last 4 months. Old Bugs and Woody and whatever. It's background noise. No one is really watching it.
 
I watch very little, but when Dune and Dune 2 came out, I watched it. Yellowstone. Certain shit.
Breaking bad was great. Took me a minute to get into it but I ended up liking Game of Thrones. Heard Yellowstone was good.
 
It's a waste for sure. I have almost no time for sitting in front of a tv glued to whatever it is. This TV on the wall over here right now is on the classic cartoon network 24/7 for the last 4 months. Old Bugs and Woody and whatever. It's background noise. No one is really watching it.
What you are describing is EXACTLY why I got rid of the tv. I'd go into the living room, tv blasting, no one watching. I shut it off. Fifteen minutes later I go to the living room and the tv is on and it's blasting again with no one watching. Just got tired of paying for nothing.
 
What you are describing is EXACTLY why I got rid of the tv. I'd go into the living room, tv blasting, no one watching. I shut it off. Fifteen minutes later I go to the living room and the tv is on and it's blasting again with no one watching. Just got tired of paying for nothing.
I'm not paying for anything. It's free over the airwaves. And the Netflix and Prime I get free.
 
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Seriously. Haven't you noticed those shows all have these dumb songs and the words are like just regular shit. Like describing irrelevant shit, not rhyming or making sense. Your eyes are blue, please take me home now, the river is long, blah, blah blah,
Nah, stopped paying attention to Netflix a while ago. Sounds like I should apply for a writing job there though.
 
Thanks for that overview. Regarding classifications, it is helpful to understand the proper terminology. I'm also interested in a slightly different question — how are determinations of biological sex made? What are the essential criteria for being male or female? Are these criteria in contention? The article, for all it's limitations, seemed to justify the argument that even a chromosomal test isn't really sufficient, and minor deviations of genetic sex traits might be more common than realized. Are any abnormalities, whether chromosomal, genotypic or phenotypic automatically grounds for the intersex designation or just major and obvious ones?

Biological sex determination is made at birth (officially by a doctor or other qualified medical professional) solely based on the infant's genitals and chromosomes. So you are assigned as either male or female; since those are the only two sexes legally recognized, and that is what goes on your birth certificate.
XX + vag = female
XY + twig & giggle berries = male

In the rare case of intersex; and this is where controversy comes into play, the doctor will make the call to assign one of those two sexes. Depending on the country and laws the doctor may also perform surgery on the infant; with or without parental consent/involvement to make the genitals match the sex that they assigned.

One big problem here is no one knows which way the person will develop when they hit puberty. Luck could be on the person's side, they develop into the sex they were "assigned" and all is fine and dandy. Or they may have been "assigned" as being female, had surgery to make the parts match that, then develop during puberty as a male or vice versa. There's also issues dealing with genital mutilation, right to reproduce, disclosure, potential social issues, etc. Currently the legality of all this and being able to list intersex on the birth certificate is starting to be challenged.

Quick aside: I, and really no one in the public knows the medical details of that Olympic boxer person so I'm not making any claims here; just throwing out a possible explanation. They could have been born intersex, assigned as female on the birth certificate, doctor made parts match without disclosure, then developed as a male during puberty.

Not taking the social and legality of the above into account and looking only from a scientific perspective; classification of intersex is solely based on genitals and chromosomes, just like male and female. It does not take into account any minor deviations or abnormalities. So anything that is not specifically male or female as defined above would be intersex.

Remember, that article from a scientific perspective is being disingenuous and using false logic. It's attempting to make the claim that all DSD's are a form of intersex and making social, not scientific implications. It's trying to include such things as a female with slightly higher than average testosterone levels (even temporarily) as intersex. It also wants to include mental disorders that fall under DSD's as intersex. Intersex is a form of DSD, but that does not mean all DSD's are intersex. So no, there is not a broad spectrum of intersex. There is a broad spectrum of DSD's with specific rare ones being intersex.

Let's take a look at this from a different angle using Vitiligo as a comparison. Vitiligo is an abnormality in which cells that produce melanin die and manifests as white skin patches on darker skinned people. A black person with Vitiligo would not be classified as interracial the same as a person with a random DSD would not be classified as intersex.
 
In the rare case of intersex; and this is where controversy comes into play, the doctor will make the call to assign one of those two sexes. ...classification of intersex is solely based on genitals and chromosomes, just like male and female. It does not take into account any minor deviations or abnormalities.
Okay, so DSD includes a broad and perhaps overly broad array of conditions associated with any aspect of sexual development. Let's set aside that issue for the moment and consider the condition of 46,XY with undervirilization, where "a person with XY chromosomes has testes, but external genitals that are incompletely formed, ambiguous, or clearly female." Would a biologist view a person with this condition as a male with various genetic mutations that affect sexual development, or intersex? And likewise a female diagnosed with 46,XX with virilization? This may be a matter of semantics, but it appears to me in both those cases that the individuals are not "intersex" so much as biological males and females with underlying conditions that affect their sexual development. Contrast these conditions with "True gonadal intersex", where a person has both ovaries and testicles, with XX or XY chromosomes, or a combination of both, and identification of a primary biological sex is difficult if not impossible.
A mother still having some cells left in her body from her male fetus. That is classified as a DSD but doesn't imply she is part male.
Are you referring to this case? Would you consider her female or intersex? "A 46-year-old pregnant woman had visited his clinic at the Royal Melbourne Hospital in Australia to hear the results of an amniocentesis test to screen her baby's chromosomes for abnormalities. The baby was fine—but follow-up tests had revealed something astonishing about the mother. Her body was built of cells from two individuals, probably from twin embryos that had merged in her own mother's womb. And there was more. One set of cells carried two X chromosomes, the complement that typically makes a person female; the other had an X and a Y. Halfway through her fifth decade and pregnant with her third child, the woman learned for the first time that a large part of her body was chromosomally male."
 
XX + vag = female
XY + twig & giggle berries = male
Given that some forms of intersex are rooted in genetics, it seems that genetics should be an intrinsic aspect of biological sex. And if we consider genetics, aren't we going down the rabbit hole as described in the article we've been discussing?
 
WTF is wrong with you guys ? You took a perfectly good thread full of ridiculous arguments, ad hominem attacks, red herrings and general fuckery and turned it into a science class. Fuckin dorks. ???
 
Okay, so DSD includes a broad and perhaps overly broad array of conditions associated with any aspect of sexual development. Let's set aside that issue for the moment and consider the condition of 46,XY with undervirilization, where "a person with XY chromosomes has testes, but external genitals that are incompletely formed, ambiguous, or clearly female." Would a biologist view a person with this condition as a male with various genetic mutations that affect sexual development, or intersex? And likewise a female diagnosed with 46,XX with virilization? This may be a matter of semantics, but it appears to me in both those cases that the individuals are not "intersex" so much as biological males and females with underlying conditions that affect their sexual development. Contrast these conditions with "True gonadal intersex", where a person has both ovaries and testicles, with XX or XY chromosomes, or a combination of both, and identification of a primary biological sex is difficult if not impossible.
The majority of biologists would likely say that is not intersex. The person has either XX or XY and the internal plumbing that matches, but with a physical deformity.

Are you referring to this case? Would you consider her female or intersex? "A 46-year-old pregnant woman had visited his clinic at the Royal Melbourne Hospital in Australia to hear the results of an amniocentesis test to screen her baby's chromosomes for abnormalities. The baby was fine—but follow-up tests had revealed something astonishing about the mother. Her body was built of cells from two individuals, probably from twin embryos that had merged in her own mother's womb. And there was more. One set of cells carried two X chromosomes, the complement that typically makes a person female; the other had an X and a Y. Halfway through her fifth decade and pregnant with her third child, the woman learned for the first time that a large part of her body was chromosomally male."
Yeah, that was an example given in that article. She would be considered a female. They speculate that one fetus absorbed their twin in the womb. That's not an uncommon occurrence and a high probability the twin was male. Her body didn't reject those cells because it was a twin and would not have been seen as foreign by the body; even thought they were foreign. Think of it this way: A woman receives an organ transplant from a compatible male donor and the transplant hold up. The donor organ will be comprised of male chromosomes, but that's not going to transform her into intersex. Just a female with foreign parts (cells/chromosomes) that didn't get rejected.

Given that some forms of intersex are rooted in genetics, it seems that genetics should be an intrinsic aspect of biological sex. And if we consider genetics, aren't we going down the rabbit hole as described in the article we've been discussing?
I'm not 100% sure what you're saying here. I don't think there a big rabbit hole to go down as the article tries to suggest. There so much more to the genetic code that has noting to do with sex. Sex is just a tiny part of the whole.
 
WTF is wrong with you guys ? You took a perfectly good thread full of ridiculous arguments, ad hominem attacks, red herrings and general fuckery and turned it into a science class. Fuckin dorks. ???
I just hope people are learning a few things.

I learned that playing Mutant League Hockey on my Sega was just a sign of things to come
 
Lots of smart folks on here…female turtles have a flat plastron. I learned that shit in college yo….
 
If anyone wants to know I can tell you how frogs ? fuck… that’s part of my B.S. in biology…
 
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