NowYou'rePlayingWithPower
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Um, why would you need to record TWO fresh tracks? You're only 1/2 of the challenge. Ergo, you should only write 1 track, while this mysterious new contender has to write 1 as well. I'm beginning to think you're hiding something from usThis isn't adding up at all!
One for the riff war and one for the uh... the victory dance?
Eazy-ESP
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Mmm… ok. I think understand things better now. Certain things make a lot more sense now.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that!
Eazy-ESP
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Another person with great recording. Is that some reverb on the rhythm guitar? I keep following the current wisdom and am told to keep rhythm dry. But I feel like there is something missing if I wanted that cool Pantera kind of sound.
DanTravis62
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Thanks man!
Sure is. I don't always do verb on heavy guitars, but it made sense for this type of 90s-ish US metal type sound IMO
But you should definitely not fuck around with reverb if you feel like your tracks are lacking or you can't do what you want with them yet - it's a little difficult to do and make sound "right" and takes a lot of tweaking.
I would suggest trying it out on a couple tracks, messing around for a bit, and if you get the sound you're looking for? Cool! If you don't and it turns into a quagmire? Fuck it, and try again later.
In this case, it's a little complicated, because i did a lot of fucking around to try and get a sort of terry date sound, and it turned out the closest I could get was putting the reverb before the IR, but after the amp - simulating the reverb being slightly "on" on the amp. for whatever reason, that seemed to give the right effect.
Eazy-ESP
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Very nice man. Yeah I loved the sound. It’s that exciting sound that lacks a lot these days. More fun sounding if that makes sense. Like some left over sounds from the 80s that were still around, but dialled back.
I have tried a bit of reverb and it was exactly as you said. Sounded like shit. Like a shrapnel album, but minus any of the good stuff that made that stuff passable.
DanTravis62
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The trick, I think, is the reverb has to be really subtle and really natural sounding - almost like a room reflection (which on second thought, is probably what were actually hearing on the date recordings - most likely from a room mic)
Like I said, this is kind of difficult territory though even for me and i've been doing this shit for years. I don't have anything spicy or special in my home studio setup or anything, honestly I use really really basic recording equipment. Only have mics (a couple 57s, a 421, a 121) a cheap 8 channel analog mixer, an audient id4 interface, reaper, and like 4 paid plugins. The vast majority of the shit I use is literally free. I'm just kind of trying to MacGuyver some of the tricks i've heard about or used in real studios over the years.
I will say, the waves Scheps Omni channel has been the single greatest investment I've ever made for recording software. That shit is amazing.
Eazy-ESP
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When you’re recording the cab, do you have it just sitting in a regular room? Covered in shipping blankets or anything?
DanTravis62
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100% depends on how i'm micing it. If I'm doing just close mics, i've done it in a closet and a bathroom before. Generally speaking the room wont matter too much unless you are fucking up the micing placement a ton with close mics.
If I'm doing room mics it gets a lot more complex - a regular bedroom would be fine with close mics + a ribbon or condenser a medium distance away, without any blankets or anything like that.
but if the room was really large I would probably isolate it to cut down on room reflections with the far mics. Maybe put a couch in the way, or moving blankets.
I'm not worried about the volume if that's what you're wondering LOL
Eazy-ESP
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No. Again just listening to too much internet wisdom. Room has to be this and that. I’d just be happy with good close mic’d sound. I haven’t really done it much. But when I did, it just sounded good. Most importantly felt really good.
I keep thinking I have to have Sunset Sound in my home office to record. Might give it another crack in coming weeks.
Probably the Fryette Deliverance 120 is a bad recording amp though lol. Need to get some new tubes for my Hellcat. And then long term look for something not quite as tree flattening as the D120. But more thumpy than the Hellcat. Like the Skeleton Key has been really piquing my interest.
DanTravis62
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Well that piece of "internet wisdom" is complete and utter bullshit, but I see how it came about. It's monitoring that you need to have the room be treated and take special care for... and how well you hear things through the monitor certainly affects things if you don't know what you're "supposed" to be hearing. And I guess the more you know what you need to hear, the less you need exact feedback from your monitoring setup.
I don't have a special monitoring setup in my room at all, just a couple of bass traps and a thick rug on the wall that's facing the monitors. I always double check things with headphones, car stereo, and a very excellent sounding HiFi system before I do anything particularly important or professionally, though.
And not at all, the deliverance is killer. It's a little dry, sure, but I've done recordings with it that turned out awesome? I would bet there's something else going on. If you aren't getting decent tones with that, a new amp isn't going to help (isn't going to help the recordings at least)
I'd be willing to wager there's something else going on with your setup TBH. The most likely culprits are mic placement, gain staging, and what kind of effects/plug ins youre running on your tracks.
Eazy-ESP
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Oh no the Deliverance is awesome. I’m the problem. I get carried away. Then the volume goes up and up. Then I go slightly deaf and feel nauseous. Then the neighbours call the police. Just wouldn’t mind something a little, just so slightly less window shaking.
DanTravis62
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Get a power station or torpedo or Ox Box or something? They're all great, and then you can use some IRs and not worry about the micing for now
With a lot of people, it helps hearing their amps with IRs because they can get a much better idea of how miced tones are "supposed" to sound, kind of like ear training - and being able to do it with the actual amp can really really help
Eazy-ESP
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Oh yeah. I’m in the IR world now. Just wouldn’t mind doing some micing for fun and comparison.Get a power station or torpedo or Ox Box or something? They're all great, and then you can use some IRs and not worry about the micing for now
With a lot of people, it helps hearing their amps with IRs because they can get a much better idea of how miced tones are "supposed" to sound, kind of like ear training - and being able to do it with the actual amp can really really help
To be honest, the best learning for me has been my kemper and getting some producer packs and some others and then flicking through and comparing. Deciding what I like and don’t like. Figuring out what’s going on. Getting used to that recorded sound.
It’s like my flight simulator I guess.
DanTravis62
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Yep the kemper is fantastic for that. Most of the time I use my own profiles, but it's really fun to try out stuff that I would or could not ever spend all the money to try, just to learn about different shit and how it's supposed to sound. Shit's awesome.
Just for shits, here's that same series of riffs (more or less) without the reverb on the way in. It completely changes the vibe.
Eazy-ESP
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yeah, much prefer the first one.