Rig Diagram. W/D/W

[LukeCurd]

Lonnie Totman is a very talented engineer who has worked with Barry Stock of Three Days Grace for sometime now. This is the Rig diagram I drew from his emails. I think it would be a helpful diagram for anyone else looking to build a w/d/w stereo rig.

Let me know what you guys think.

Studio Pic (The Line 6 Echo Pro duties are now being handled by the Eclipse)

 

[glpg80]

I think Zachman's rig is more complicated, and i also think that if this was done to help others understand W/D/W you've wasted your time. It will do nothing but complicate their lack of understanding.

If the purpose is to explain something then you dont talk over their heads or down to them.

/common sense

 

[LukeCurd]

I think Zachman's rig is more complicated, and i also think that if this was done to help others understand W/D/W you've wasted your time. It will do nothing but complicate their lack of understanding.

If the purpose is to explain something then you dont talk over their heads or down to them.

/common sense

I am not talking down to anyone. Its the first time I drew a rig like this and Lonnie was kind enough to let me flood his email box with questions. He provided very helpful answers and is a really cool guy.

I think people's understanding varies.

I have seen many diagrams on the RJM website that are very very helpful. This was just my attempt.

I have not heard clips of Zachman's Rig but the complexity of the rig is not what inspired me to draw out the rig. The options and textures and sounds it produced impressed me.

Plus you have to admit the 6x12 idea is rad.

 

[chumbucket]

Lonnie Totman is a very talented engineer who has worked with Barry Stock of Three Days Grace for sometime now. This is the Rig diagram I drew from his emails. I think it would be a helpful diagram for anyone else looking to build a w/d/w stereo rig.

Let me know what you guys think.

Thanks for posting this. There have been lots of questions from people on RT on how to wire up a W/D/W setup. They may find this to be very informative.
I've done something similar to the 6x12 rig above by using two 4x12's wired in stereo. I use the two inside pair for the dry and the two outside pair for left and right stereo image.

 

[glpg80]

I am not talking down to anyone. Its the first time I drew a rig like this and Lonnie was kind enough to let me flood his email box with questions. He provided very helpful answers and is a really cool guy.

I think people's understanding varies.

I have seen many diagrams on the RJM website that are very very helpful. This was just my attempt.

I have not heard clips of Zachman's Rig but the complexity of the rig is not what inspired me to draw out the rig. The options and textures and sounds it produced impressed me.

Plus you have to admit the 6x12 idea is rad.

Bad for the back but otherwise whats not to like

An informative post is an informative post. How about explaining certain key components and why they are used in the W/D/W setup if this is the intent. Just stating the obvious based on the questions of most W/D/W seekers.

I have been here a while and see most of the W/D/W questions as well Chum. Even i posted one many years ago. If anyone is looking to do something this complicated then it is sure to be informative and helpful. I see it as overkill and un-needed for the intended purpose. Use the search button if you want to understand why.

 

[steve_k]

Good example of a WDW rig. He's got way too much going on for me though. I couldn't imagine needing that much shit to play live. Out of all that mess, I would have the VH4 dry with the JMP/Engl wet with the Eclipse, the wireless and the input selector.

 

[Anonymous]

My W/D/W rig is a lot less complicated...

Steve

 

[Milerky2]

I think Zachman's rig is more complicated, and i also think that if this was done to help others understand W/D/W you've wasted your time. It will do nothing but complicate their lack of understanding.

If the purpose is to explain something then you dont talk over their heads or down to them.

/common sense

yeah, I am a professional system designer, and Studio / Live engineer, and if I cannot figure out the signal flow immediately, its not explained well...

Break it down into signal paths, not just interconnects. That might help.

It just looked like the great spaghetti monster to me...

Not being picky, would love to hear it! where is the flux capacitor again?

 

[sixstringking713]

seems overly complicated imo

 

[scottywompas]

Quite a few dick responses. The dude was just trying to show us something cool.

Cut him a break. I'm making a 7-11 run, who need Mydol?

Scott

 

[Spaceboy]

I couldn't play a rig like that, yikes! So many knobs and gizmos!

 

[Spaceboy]

I'm not crackin' on the OP either. Thanks posting that time machine or whatever it is...

 

[Heritage Softail]

Looks like a quite high end rig. Thanks for posting it.

I have a very simple wet dry. I like the sound. I have tried the stereo effects in two wet amps with a day one. It all sounds good.

The funny thing in the wet dry and shit load of effects, it has driven me back to just getting a solid tone. Oddly enough, just a MKIIC or DSL as the primary and some delay or EVH phaser tossed in the wet amp is great. For some old Metallica or Thin Lizzy... That works great.

I think wet dry sounds way better than a single amp with a ton of effects.

 

[LukeCurd]

yeah, I am a professional system designer, and Studio / Live engineer, and if I cannot figure out the signal flow immediately, its not explained well...

Break it down into signal paths, not just interconnects. That might help.

It just looked like the great spaghetti monster to me...

Not being picky, would love to hear it! where is the flux capacitor again?

Your right. I was looking at it this morning without coffee and it looks complicated if you don't have Lonnie's emails.

Barry's Rig has been dual MONO for years and he changed it up this tour to recreate the sounds live from the new record.

I would actually call the rig Wet/mono with stereo separation.

 

[LukeCurd]

Some pics too.
http://www.krychcustom.com

Pix of the White Krych 6x12 cabs for stadium use.

Pics of the Black Krych 6x12 cabs for small club uses. Plus a sneaky ported 1x12 it seems.

Live shot with pedalboard.

 

[155]

thats nuts

 

[mentoneman]

I think wet dry sounds way better than a single amp with a ton of effects.

me too

i just have to remember to start dry, then slowly bring up the wet amp.
easy to screw this up.

 

[colimofsmoke]

way way way too complicated. no thanks. just affirms that i want the simplest setup possible.

 

[Shark Diver]

As silly as this may sound to some - it's actually not that complicated. A selector for which guitar (the wireless), an RJM for selection of pedals, then split to a to the Marshall and Diezel with their respective fx - and an acoustic setup added. It looks way more complex then it is. Fairly basic really, just looks intimidating drawn out.

 

[LukeCurd]

As silly as this may sound to some - it's actually not that complicated. A selector for which guitar (the wireless), an RJM for selection of pedals, then split to a to the Marshall and Diezel with there respective fx - and an acoustic setup added. It looks way more complex then it is. Fairly basic really, just looks intimidating drawn out.

My feelings as well. I will refer to direct quotes from Lonnie himself.

The rig I'm in the middle of putting together for Barry is a refined version of what he used last record cycle.

We are going from a dual mono set-up to a wet-dry-wet rig.

Signal path is:
4x Sennheiser wireless, multi selector, rjm switcher, fuzz factory, octtava magus fuzz, small stone phaser, out to a custom patch box I made on his pedal board, boss tu-2 tuner, ernie ball stereo pan volume pedal, dunlop wah, axess electronics bs-2 buffer, back to rjm switcher, expandora, boss super octave, pog, ts-9, dunlop vibe, H & K roto (with switch I built on board for speed), over to head rack > axess Bs-2 buffer split to Diezel VH4, spare VH4, modded Marshall jmp-1 (with custom phase reverse box I build to be able to program a phase reverse because some Diezel channels are out of phse with the Marshall), eventide eclipse, engl power amp feeding two Krych 6x12's turned on their side. The 6x12's are actually a 4x12 and a 2x12 in one cab. The center two 4x12 portions are the diezel for center direct and the outside 2x12 portions are for the wet Marshall left right. We are thinking of adding a very old Ibanez DM1100 delay in the diezel loop just for hold capture noises for fun.

Guitars are all Ibanez, ,mostly custom shop stuff and several old ibanez's like the korina explorer. Barry has been hunting down cool old ibanez models.

Speakers are all Vintage 30's. 4x12 is wired series/parallel at 8 ohms. 2x12 is parallel at 8 ohms. Cabs are rear loaded which I prefer. Better upper mids

- Diesel Insert 1 has a Digitech IPS-33B

- Diesel insert 3 has an Ibanez DM1100 delay

- first Axess BS-2 is on pedalboard right after EB stereo volume/pan pedal

- B-side out of EB SV/P pedal feeds a Radial DI for acoustic

On my first couple try's I messed up just the signal path. Here is giving me correct info on how the input is wired.

looks good.

missing BS-2 on output of RJM splitting to 2 heads and marshall rig.

Also, RJM loop 10 is being used to switch between a cable in and wireless in (from the multiselector output). Multi goes to loop 10 in, cable in comes from RJM front panel, connects to RJM buffer and to loop 10 return. Loop 10 out feeds back to loop one in.