RR Rabbit Hole - BOSS OD-1 on his board here?

[Chubtone]

Is this the same recording that was on the King Biscuit show? I recorded that off the radio on a reel to reel back in the day. Still have it somewhere.

No. The King Biscuit Flower Hour show was from the Montreal show. For Tribute, they took Randy's solo off of the Montreal show but the whole rest of it was the Cleveland show posted above.

I had bootlegs of both shows in probably 1982. I remember I was a sophomore and at lunch I sat with some kids that were all guitar players. One of them recorded the King Biscuit show and I missed it. He let me listen to it at lunch one day on a Walkman and I went nuts. I tried to buy it and he said No Way. Every day I saved my lunch money, I think $2.25 and offered him more money. Finally at around $25 bucks he caved and sold me the tape. This was way before anyone had cassette duplicating equipment at home. I still have that tape.

So I had the board tape of the Cleveland show posted above off of the radio so it was great quality and I had the King Biscuit show recorded off of the radio too. Also great quality. And I saw Rhoads live. The Tribute album was a disappointment sound wise but it was nice to have it on CD as my cassettes were getting worn out.

 

[Chubtone]

Kapo, if you get a chance, listen to that Cleveland show I posted above in headphones. I actually recorded this show from youtube the other day into my DAW as it is great quality. Listen for any time Randy holds a chord. You can't really tell on the single note stuff or the rhythms that are moving a lot, but when he hold a chord, listen to the character of the gain and you will what I describe as that jagged gain. That to me is the Distortion+ sound.

 

[Chubtone]

I am not sure if this is the same show that was released on vinyl as Bats Heads Soup back in the day but his sound was so much better on that bootleg than the Tribute album. Its almost like the Tribute album had the mic full front on the cone vs. Bats Head Soup which had it maybe 18 inches to the side of the cab. LOL I really wish they would re-release that album with a proper mix of his guitars. I dont even think Max' EQ even sounds like his studio tone. Upper mids are different and then you have double tracked rhythms to boot. I was really dissapointed when that album came out.

Yes, the vinyl Bats Head Soup bootleg record is also from the Cleveland show that became the Tribute show. That link I posted is this same show, before Max Norman messed it up.

To this days the stories of them recording those albums and Ozzy firing Chris Tsangarides as producer who had already produced tons of metal bands and just letting Max Norman who had never produced ANYTHING and was just a young engineer at the time take over and produce really pisses me off. If they had a real producer and someone who could capture Randy's actual tone instead of experimenting with trying to make it more "hollow" and "grindy" sounding. Those were Max Norman's actual words. Randy might have been trying to do something weird in the studio, but he was a kid. A more known producer would told him to just play and told Max Norman to just capture the tone.

I still wonder what those albums would have sounded like if they had any decent budget to record them. What would those albums have sounded like with Ted Templeman and Donn Landee capturing Randy's tone?

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Kapo, if you get a chance, listen to that Cleveland show I posted above in headphones. I actually recorded this show from youtube the other day into my DAW as it is great quality. Listen for any time Randy holds a chord. You can't really tell on the single note stuff or the rhythms that are moving a lot, but when he hold a chord, listen to the character of the gain and you will what I describe as that jagged gain. That to me is the Distortion+ sound.

I listened to it. Easy to listen as well because the material is so familiar essentially being the Cleveland show. I definitely hear that saw tooth grind. Really cuts. Thing is, I hear that when people put the Disto+ into a clean amp. But with gain, the thing mushes out. It blows. I guess it will just remain a mystery that he was able to get those tones out of it. Add the factory cascade mod to the Marshalls ( do we know he used those live?) and you've got a ton of gain. No way the distortion Plus is cranked on the distortion side.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Yes, the vinyl Bats Head Soup bootleg record is also from the Cleveland show that became the Tribute show. That link I posted is this same show, before Max Norman messed it up.

To this days the stories of them recording those albums and Ozzy firing Chris Tsangarides as producer who had already produced tons of metal bands and just letting Max Norman who had never produced ANYTHING and was just a young engineer at the time take over and produce really pisses me off. If they had a real producer and someone who could capture Randy's actual tone instead of experimenting with trying to make it more "hollow" and "grindy" sounding. Those were Max Norman's actual words. Randy might have been trying to do something weird in the studio, but he was a kid. A more known producer would told him to just play and told Max Norman to just capture the tone.

I still wonder what those albums would have sounded like if they had any decent budget to record them. What would those albums have sounded like with Ted Templeman and Donn Landee capturing Randy's tone?

I guess it could also have gone the other way though. They would have told him not to waste time on tripling leads or maybe not to solo for as long because it has to hit quick and then be done. ( Van Halen recipe, those quick effective leads that aren't drawn out for the most part) . But you are probably right, overall it would have been way better.

 

[napalmdeath]

https://metalinjection.net/video/ne...-scenes-look-at-the-making-of-blizzard-of-ozz

I watched that the other night! Definitely worth viewing. It really covered his life well before Ozzy days.

https://metalinjection.net/video/ne...-scenes-look-at-the-making-of-blizzard-of-oz

Do you have a link to the documentary by chance?

The full movie is on Amazon Prime video. It's about 1-1/2 hrs. long. It's an excellent watch, for sure. Very in-depth about his life, and who he really was. A big chunk of it was his Quiet Riot days, club days, and his development and growth as a guitar player.

 

[Greazygeo]

I listened to it. Easy to listen as well because the material is so familiar essentially being the Cleveland show. I definitely hear that saw tooth grind. Really cuts. Thing is, I hear that when people put the Disto+ into a clean amp. But with gain, the thing mushes out. It blows. I guess it will just remain a mystery that he was able to get those tones out of it. Add the factory cascade mod to the Marshalls ( do we know he used those live?) and you've got a ton of gain. No way the distortion Plus is cranked on the distortion side.

The pictures I have seen he is plugged into the bottom CH I input. That would not be the cascaded channels. Just the stock bright channel.
His settings are in the book that came with my 1959RR. Bass on 2, mids and treble 6. Have to look at the presence, but it is not the normal 1959 values.
He also used the MXR eq, those had no on/off switch. Probably rolled off alot of lows with it.
In front of a dirty amp it wouldn’t need to be gained up which doesn’t get too muddy that way. Also those Altecs were pretty mid heavy, at least my buddies are.

With the gain and volume maxed out is pretty fuzz like.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Ok who has a good Altec impulse recommendation? It's a noisy as f-ck rig but my dod box with level pinned and gain set 1/4 with my GE-7 is pretty much there. The speaker is off though. I honestly don't think pickups make a huge diff either as he was using T tops in the LP but jb's in the jackson and SD in the Sandoval. That core tone is marshall - boosts - altec ( and hands). The only thing missing is feedback. Can't really get that with cab impulses so the squealies don't sound as good.