Scorpions Blackout- what do you hear?

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Some of the best Marshall tones from the 80's on Blackout! The only Scorps tune I can actually play. MJ's leads are always awesome. On Blackout they were awesome AND raw. Perfection!

I'll have to check the mag in my avatar to see if there is an MJ gear article :rock:
 
Thought we were talking about NMV 1987 Marshall from Jabs? Both 2204 and the head in this clip have Master Volumes right? Big diff. Even this head in the clip has sauce.

I have a 4 holer and beyond being crushingly loud, it does not get much gain. Jabs had sauce I think.
 
thenine":3lvb8y3q said:
Thought we were talking about NMV 1987 Marshall from Jabs? Both 2204 and the head in this clip have Master Volumes right? Big diff. Even this head in the clip has sauce.

I have a 4 holer and beyond being crushingly loud, it does not get much gain. Jabs had sauce I think.
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Well we have seen superleads (some more than others due to diff values used ) get gained up a bit when the volume is pushed and knobs are cranked. Add hot pups and slight boost from an echoplex like VH and it is possible. I presumably have more gain with a 2204 cascaded preamp and even then, there needs to be a bit more for the leads I feel. If he were using JMP's at this point, it is plausible but I feel the tone is closer to a cascaded preamp with some sort of extra sauce like an echo plex. So essentially, 2204 opened up plus a hot humbucker and a clean boost. That's the closest I am getting so far. I want to get my recording gear back up this weekend so maybe I will try to crank out a sound clip with some chorus and verb and see how it fairs.
 
Jabs is using an uber-hot pickup mesuring 22something k...
when I used an emg JH set(before I go back to 81) in a stock 2204 I needed no boost to play that kind of stuff...
 
blackie13":1p7c9el7 said:
Jabs is using an uber-hot pickup mesuring 22something k...
when I used an emg JH set(before I go back to 81) in a stock 2204 I needed no boost to play that kind of stuff...
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OK but again thats a 2204. Earlier in this thread there was a quote from him that he was using a 1987.
 
thenine":382ruwf1 said:
blackie13":382ruwf1 said:
Jabs is using an uber-hot pickup mesuring 22something k...
when I used an emg JH set(before I go back to 81) in a stock 2204 I needed no boost to play that kind of stuff...
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OK but again thats a 2204. Earlier in this thread there was a quote from him that he was using a 1987.
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The 1987x can get some good jam though. I built one and with a low headroom transformer, it had some grunt. I wasn't getting lead tones out of it though. Work the right hand and you could lay into the rythm but it needed more for leads you are right.
 
thenine":30dfh9zp said:
blackie13":30dfh9zp said:
Jabs is using an uber-hot pickup mesuring 22something k...
when I used an emg JH set(before I go back to 81) in a stock 2204 I needed no boost to play that kind of stuff...
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OK but again thats a 2204. Earlier in this thread there was a quote from him that he was using a 1987.
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maybe it was modded...
one wire mod or some sort...
 
blackie13":1u9vcyfz said:
maybe it was modded...
one wire mod or some sort...
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Agree. NO WAY to get that much lead gain and sustain out of a non-moded 1987 circuit!
 
check this out..........
http://mjguitars.de/PRODUCTS/Marshall-J ... ,1405.html
goes against what was written at Metro about it being a four holer 1987...but this add said he played this onstage and in the studio?
If you look through some of the other amps on his sight, you can see various 4 holer JMP's AND JCM's that were played by him. Pretty cool stuff.

blackie13":3u26eqm4 said:
thenine":3u26eqm4 said:
blackie13":3u26eqm4 said:
Jabs is using an uber-hot pickup mesuring 22something k...
when I used an emg JH set(before I go back to 81) in a stock 2204 I needed no boost to play that kind of stuff...
Click to expand...

OK but again thats a 2204. Earlier in this thread there was a quote from him that he was using a 1987.
Click to expand...

maybe it was modded...
one wire mod or some sort...
Click to expand...
 
Yup, definitely hearing a wah for the lead here. I read that the vox wah was a fave for this, doesn't sound quite as nasally as the cry baby to my ears. But if you have to shape the amp around the wah, would that not affect the rhythm tone? Were they ripping off the top plate of the wah, manually setting it and goosing or would you need to find the sweet spot every solo?
 
Kapo_Polenton":13d7z3lg said:
Yup, definitely hearing a wah for the lead here. I read that the vox wah was a fave for this, doesn't sound quite as nasally as the cry baby to my ears. But if you have to shape the amp around the wah, would that not affect the rhythm tone? Were they ripping off the top plate of the wah, manually setting it and goosing or would you need to find the sweet spot every solo?
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That's the thing.....I don't hear him actually kicking it on like you normally would? It just seems to happen when he goes into the leads and its right were the sweet spot is? I agree that if the wah was left on all the time the rhythm tone would be compromised/affected. :doh:
 
Schenker played with the wah on too and so did Gary Richrath (there's a name you haven't heard in a while)
 
Kapo_Polenton":2qrvqocx said:
Yup, definitely hearing a wah for the lead here. I read that the vox wah was a fave for this, doesn't sound quite as nasally as the cry baby to my ears. But if you have to shape the amp around the wah, would that not affect the rhythm tone? Were they ripping off the top plate of the wah, manually setting it and goosing or would you need to find the sweet spot every solo?
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yes it will affect the rhythm and lead tones. That was the point to doing that. You have to remember back then there really were not many things to change your tones. You just leave it on once you get things set. It's not hard to get it back if you do decide to use it.

Look at how many guys in the 80's were using the Furman rack mount parametric eps in front of their amps. Same idea.

I find both very tiring on the ears after a short time, but it can be kinda cool.
 
LP Freak":2rz50cvd said:
Schenker played with the wah on too and so did Gary Richrath (there's a name you haven't heard in a while)
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I liked Richrath back in the day. He kinda had that Boston type thing going on at times.
 
I don't know what he used on Blackout, LAFS & DSATT but man the tones & playing on these ROCK big time!

Been listening to them @ work non stop now for 2 days... I admit I had forgotten how great shit they are!
 
blackie13":1mvjkhjl said:


no wah here...
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He might have already mov d to the 2205's at this point which had more gain on tap. At the very least I hear an 800 with some chorus and possibly some eq bumping the mids ever so slightly ( which is like a boost really) Jabs also sounds out of tune from time to time. On bad boys running wild his low E is out big time. Changes to the explorer next song. Great band though. What energy.
 
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