With my 20th Shiva and PWE Event Horizon, Scumbacks were too smooth and did not sound as good in the band mix as V30s. I judge everything when playing with others. The WGS ET65/Vet30 sounded great but did not stand out as well with the band. When I installed V30s(Hellatones) into my Bogner and took that to practice, it was all over! I could not believe how huge, thick, full, chewy, cutting, and perfect in the mix both the Bogner and my PWE sounded. I heard this while playing and also while stepping bacj and letting someone else play. I stood in front of the cab and out front whiler a friend played with the band, and still sounded phenominal. I even talked to the owner of PWE and he agreed with me, and V30s it is even though he too has tried Scums.