Something new on the horizon from Splawn

[Chubtone]

Yea and others here scoffed at the pic saying you couldn't tell anything by looking at some resistors.

That would have to have been my post and I said I couldn't tell anything by looking at that meaning me because I don't know enough about electronic circuits. Wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers. I was the biggest Splawn cheerleader on RT for a while.

 

[Erock]

Yea and others here scoffed at the pic saying you couldn't tell anything by looking at some resistors.

That would have to have been my post and I said I couldn't tell anything by looking at that meaning me because I don't know enough about electronic circuits. Wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers. I was the biggest Splawn cheerleader on RT for a while.

I think that sounded more like sarcasm man.



Definitley interested to see what Scott's up to!

 

[Anonymous]

Yea and others here scoffed at the pic saying you couldn't tell anything by looking at some resistors.

That would have to have been my post and I said I couldn't tell anything by looking at that meaning me because I don't know enough about electronic circuits. Wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers. I was the biggest Splawn cheerleader on RT for a while.

I was just trying to add to the HIGH-larity... Not ruffling feathers purposely either... I think Scott makes great amps... And you have to admit there are a lot of pretty colors, no?

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

If those resistors in the Splawn above are Vishay Dale, they are possibly what I use - the CCF60 series, which do have the color bands...

FWIW, I love those Vishay Dale CCF60 resistors. 1% tolerance and reasonably priced. I use 'em all over the place in my amps and I find the result to be quite organic in my circuits. Interesting story - Bruce Egnater would be one of the folks who would say you won't hear the difference between resistors of like construction - he made that clear when I attended his amp class back in '08... so, you can argue it with him.

See... now you've got an interesting thread here BrokenFusion. Always a good reason to "bother" here at good ole Handbag-Talk!

Steve

 

[TrueTone500]

Bruce Egnater would be one of the folks who would say you won't hear the difference between resistors of like construction - he made that clear when I attended his amp class back in '08.../quote]

That's an interesting comment coming from a professional musician/builder. To your ears, do you personally think all MF resistors sound the same?

I don't mean to sound pushy here Steve, but I think your time would be better spent working on the "Sparkler" combo.

 

[TrueTone500]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

 

[Anonymous]

Bruce Egnater would be one of the folks who would say you won't hear the difference between resistors of like construction - he made that clear when I attended his amp class back in '08...

That's an interesting comment coming from a professional musician/builder. To your ears, do you personally think all MF resistors sound the same?

Here's what I think. There are way too many factors going into an amp to be able to compare just the fact that they are two different sets of MF resistors. If you built an amp with one kind of MF resistors and then took them all out and put another set from a different series in, it would likely sound slightly different, but that would be more about the values of the individual resistors in specific spots in the amp (even at 1% tolerance) than the fact that the sets were from different MF resistor series. With MF resistors, it's more about tolerance for consistency and reputation for quality than tone IMO...

I don't mean to sound pushy here Steve, but I think your time would be better spent working on the "Sparkler" combo.

Probably true...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

 

[TrueTone500]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

 

[Anonymous]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

How did you test this? Did you assemble sets of each of these different resistors that matched perfectly in value and then replaced them in the exact same amp with all the exact same components?

Steve

 

[Schaf]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

How did you test this? Did you assemble sets of each of these different resistors that matched perfectly in value and then replaced them in the exact same amp with all the exact same components?

Steve

I always love how people refer to a small subtle difference as "huge". To me a huge difference would be that anybody could easily tell the difference. Not you might be able to tell if you listen really hard.

 

[TrueTone500]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

How did you test this? Did you assemble sets of each of these different resistors that matched perfectly in value and then replaced them in the exact same amp with all the exact same components?

Steve

That's exactly what I did. The resistor roll went from stock Xicon MF - Dale MF - Takman REX CF - Xicon MF - Takman REY MF. All other components remained the same. I think a combination of Dale and Xicon in specific locations may reap some unrealized benefits. I'm building a clone of my amp for this purpose, the RK100 is going back to stock Xicon.

 

[TrueTone500]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

How did you test this? Did you assemble sets of each of these different resistors that matched perfectly in value and then replaced them in the exact same amp with all the exact same components?

Steve

I always love how people refer to a small subtle difference as "huge". To me a huge difference would be that anybody could easily tell the difference. Not you might be able to tell if you listen really hard.

I think it depends on the circuit. It's like tubes... Some amplifier really don't sound much different, regardless of the 12AX7 brand tubes you use. Filtering maybe? While others make for obvious changes - huge if you will. I rolled through 5 different brands of 12AX7 tube s in my Bogner, all with near equal strength values, and the change (in V1) was obvious. The 30 watt Metropolis is built off of the AC30 design, yet my AC30 does not change much at all when changing the V1 tube.

 

[Anonymous]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

How did you test this? Did you assemble sets of each of these different resistors that matched perfectly in value and then replaced them in the exact same amp with all the exact same components?

Steve

That's exactly what I did. The resistor roll went from stock Xicon MF - Dale MF - Takman REX CF - Xicon MF - Takman REY MF. All other components remained the same. I think a combination of Dale and Xicon in specific locations may reap some unrealized benefits. I'm building a clone of my amp for this purpose, the RK100 is going back to stock Xicon.

Really? You measured each individual resistor in each series with a multimeter, matched them perfectly for each position in the amp and then put those exact values back in exactly the same spots in the amp?

C'mon, man

There is no way you did that. Most likely what you were hearing is the differences in values based on the tolerances of the resistors and what spots they went in.

Steve

 

[TrueTone500]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

How did you test this? Did you assemble sets of each of these different resistors that matched perfectly in value and then replaced them in the exact same amp with all the exact same components?

Steve

That's exactly what I did. The resistor roll went from stock Xicon MF - Dale MF - Takman REX CF - Xicon MF - Takman REY MF. All other components remained the same. I think a combination of Dale and Xicon in specific locations may reap some unrealized benefits. I'm building a clone of my amp for this purpose, the RK100 is going back to stock Xicon.

Really? You measured each individual resistor in each series with a multimeter, matched them perfectly for each position in the amp and then put those exact values back in exactly the same spots in the amp?

C'mon, man

There is no way you did that. Most likely what you were hearing is the differences in values based on the tolerances of the resistors and what spots they went in.

Steve

I didn't need to... All resistors used were rated @ 1% tolerance. Are you telling me that a 1% or even 5% tolerance in resistors is going to change the sound? If yes, you have no business building amplifiers, nor would I recommend that anyone seek your advice on anything other than cooking pasta...

If you're thinking in terms of a possible procedural variance... Impossible! Everything I do, is done to absolute perfection!

 

[Anonymous]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

How did you test this? Did you assemble sets of each of these different resistors that matched perfectly in value and then replaced them in the exact same amp with all the exact same components?

Steve

That's exactly what I did. The resistor roll went from stock Xicon MF - Dale MF - Takman REX CF - Xicon MF - Takman REY MF. All other components remained the same. I think a combination of Dale and Xicon in specific locations may reap some unrealized benefits. I'm building a clone of my amp for this purpose, the RK100 is going back to stock Xicon.

Really? You measured each individual resistor in each series with a multimeter, matched them perfectly for each position in the amp and then put those exact values back in exactly the same spots in the amp?

C'mon, man

There is no way you did that. Most likely what you were hearing is the differences in values based on the tolerances of the resistors and what spots they went in.

Steve

I didn't need to... All resistors used were rated @ 1% tolerance. Are you telling me that a 1% or even 5% tolerance in resistors is going to change the sound? If yes, you have no business building amplifiers, nor would I recommend that anyone seek your advice on anything other than cooking pasta...

If you're thinking in terms of a possible procedural variance... Impossible! Everything I do, is done to absolute perfection!

You're priceless.

Steve

 

[TrueTone500]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

How did you test this? Did you assemble sets of each of these different resistors that matched perfectly in value and then replaced them in the exact same amp with all the exact same components?

Steve

That's exactly what I did. The resistor roll went from stock Xicon MF - Dale MF - Takman REX CF - Xicon MF - Takman REY MF. All other components remained the same. I think a combination of Dale and Xicon in specific locations may reap some unrealized benefits. I'm building a clone of my amp for this purpose, the RK100 is going back to stock Xicon.

Really? You measured each individual resistor in each series with a multimeter, matched them perfectly for each position in the amp and then put those exact values back in exactly the same spots in the amp?

C'mon, man

There is no way you did that. Most likely what you were hearing is the differences in values based on the tolerances of the resistors and what spots they went in.

Steve

I didn't need to... All resistors used were rated @ 1% tolerance. Are you telling me that a 1% or even 5% tolerance in resistors is going to change the sound? If yes, you have no business building amplifiers, nor would I recommend that anyone seek your advice on anything other than cooking pasta...

If you're thinking in terms of a possible procedural variance... Impossible! Everything I do, is done to absolute perfection!

You're priceless.

Steve

And I'm right!

 

[Anonymous]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

How did you test this? Did you assemble sets of each of these different resistors that matched perfectly in value and then replaced them in the exact same amp with all the exact same components?

Steve

That's exactly what I did. The resistor roll went from stock Xicon MF - Dale MF - Takman REX CF - Xicon MF - Takman REY MF. All other components remained the same. I think a combination of Dale and Xicon in specific locations may reap some unrealized benefits. I'm building a clone of my amp for this purpose, the RK100 is going back to stock Xicon.

Really? You measured each individual resistor in each series with a multimeter, matched them perfectly for each position in the amp and then put those exact values back in exactly the same spots in the amp?

C'mon, man

There is no way you did that. Most likely what you were hearing is the differences in values based on the tolerances of the resistors and what spots they went in.

Steve

I didn't need to... All resistors used were rated @ 1% tolerance. Are you telling me that a 1% or even 5% tolerance in resistors is going to change the sound? If yes, you have no business building amplifiers, nor would I recommend that anyone seek your advice on anything other than cooking pasta...

If you're thinking in terms of a possible procedural variance... Impossible! Everything I do, is done to absolute perfection!

You're priceless.

Steve

And I'm right!

No you're dead wrong, and I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you, but you're still priceless!

Steve

 

[311boogieman]

And I'm a troll!

*fixed*

 

[JerEvil]

Just heard from Scott. This thing is going to have some seriously cool features IMHO.

I offered myself up as an amp testing clip maker ...

 

[TrueTone500]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

How did you test this? Did you assemble sets of each of these different resistors that matched perfectly in value and then replaced them in the exact same amp with all the exact same components?

Steve

That's exactly what I did. The resistor roll went from stock Xicon MF - Dale MF - Takman REX CF - Xicon MF - Takman REY MF. All other components remained the same. I think a combination of Dale and Xicon in specific locations may reap some unrealized benefits. I'm building a clone of my amp for this purpose, the RK100 is going back to stock Xicon.

Really? You measured each individual resistor in each series with a multimeter, matched them perfectly for each position in the amp and then put those exact values back in exactly the same spots in the amp?

C'mon, man

There is no way you did that. Most likely what you were hearing is the differences in values based on the tolerances of the resistors and what spots they went in.

Steve

I didn't need to... All resistors used were rated @ 1% tolerance. Are you telling me that a 1% or even 5% tolerance in resistors is going to change the sound? If yes, you have no business building amplifiers, nor would I recommend that anyone seek your advice on anything other than cooking pasta...

If you're thinking in terms of a possible procedural variance... Impossible! Everything I do, is done to absolute perfection!

You're priceless.

Steve

And I'm right!

No you're dead wrong, and I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you, but you're still priceless!

Steve

Really? Then please, explain it to me as though I have zero experience in theory, circuity, and control wiring.