Something new on the horizon from Splawn

[Anonymous]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

How did you test this? Did you assemble sets of each of these different resistors that matched perfectly in value and then replaced them in the exact same amp with all the exact same components?

Steve

That's exactly what I did. The resistor roll went from stock Xicon MF - Dale MF - Takman REX CF - Xicon MF - Takman REY MF. All other components remained the same. I think a combination of Dale and Xicon in specific locations may reap some unrealized benefits. I'm building a clone of my amp for this purpose, the RK100 is going back to stock Xicon.

Really? You measured each individual resistor in each series with a multimeter, matched them perfectly for each position in the amp and then put those exact values back in exactly the same spots in the amp?

C'mon, man

There is no way you did that. Most likely what you were hearing is the differences in values based on the tolerances of the resistors and what spots they went in.

Steve

I didn't need to... All resistors used were rated @ 1% tolerance. Are you telling me that a 1% or even 5% tolerance in resistors is going to change the sound? If yes, you have no business building amplifiers, nor would I recommend that anyone seek your advice on anything other than cooking pasta...

If you're thinking in terms of a possible procedural variance... Impossible! Everything I do, is done to absolute perfection!

You're priceless.

Steve

And I'm right!

No you're dead wrong, and I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you, but you're still priceless!

Steve

Really? Then please, explain it to me as though I have zero experience in theory, circuity, and control wiring.

I just said I wasn't going to bother. Please read more carefully in the future...

BTW - you have no experience in theory, circuitry, etc., but you know for a fact that 1% (or even 5% ) tolerance in resistors won't change the sound of an amp in the slightest and if I think so, I have no business building amps, correct?

Also, I would not rely on me for pasta cooking advice...

Steve

 

[TrueTone500]

I'm a poser who plays an ultra-cool Splawn with a racing stripe!

 

[TrueTone500]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

How did you test this? Did you assemble sets of each of these different resistors that matched perfectly in value and then replaced them in the exact same amp with all the exact same components?

Steve

That's exactly what I did. The resistor roll went from stock Xicon MF - Dale MF - Takman REX CF - Xicon MF - Takman REY MF. All other components remained the same. I think a combination of Dale and Xicon in specific locations may reap some unrealized benefits. I'm building a clone of my amp for this purpose, the RK100 is going back to stock Xicon.

Really? You measured each individual resistor in each series with a multimeter, matched them perfectly for each position in the amp and then put those exact values back in exactly the same spots in the amp?

C'mon, man

There is no way you did that. Most likely what you were hearing is the differences in values based on the tolerances of the resistors and what spots they went in.

Steve

I didn't need to... All resistors used were rated @ 1% tolerance. Are you telling me that a 1% or even 5% tolerance in resistors is going to change the sound? If yes, you have no business building amplifiers, nor would I recommend that anyone seek your advice on anything other than cooking pasta...

If you're thinking in terms of a possible procedural variance... Impossible! Everything I do, is done to absolute perfection!

You're priceless.

Steve

And I'm right!

No you're dead wrong, and I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you, but you're still priceless!

Steve

Really? Then please, explain it to me as though I have zero experience in theory, circuity, and control wiring.

I just said I wasn't going to bother. Please read more carefully in the future...

BTW - you have no experience in theory, circuitry, etc., but you know for a fact that 1% (or even 5% ) tolerance in resistors won't change the sound of an amp in the slightest and if I think so, I have no business building amps, correct?

Also, I would not rely on me for pasta cooking advice...

Steve

Really? Would you like to pit your knowledge vs. my knowledge to a live test?

 

[JerEvil]

Oh boy … Rig-Talk electronics knowledge nerd battle … GO!!!

 

[crwnedblasphemy]

So JerEvil,

What is it and features?

 

[Anonymous]

BTW - those are not CMF60 resistors. CMF60 resistors do not have the color bands. They look like this:

It's worse than that. I was actually thinking about the Dale RL20 resistors. What's the difference, they all sound the same - right?

Pretty much. The ones with the color bands are prettier though...

Steve

I have to disagree with Bruce Egnater. There is a huge difference between Takman REY, Dale RN60, and Xicon MF resistors in terms of gain structure and tone. I know, for I have used all three of these in the same amplifier. The stock Xicon's emit a very musical, saturated type distortion, Dale are very clean - too clean IMO. Takman's are a go-between. May be the perfect resistor for my amp, but I think I prefer the stock Xicon's. If I were building amplifiers, I personally would not use Dale resistors.

How did you test this? Did you assemble sets of each of these different resistors that matched perfectly in value and then replaced them in the exact same amp with all the exact same components?

Steve

That's exactly what I did. The resistor roll went from stock Xicon MF - Dale MF - Takman REX CF - Xicon MF - Takman REY MF. All other components remained the same. I think a combination of Dale and Xicon in specific locations may reap some unrealized benefits. I'm building a clone of my amp for this purpose, the RK100 is going back to stock Xicon.

Really? You measured each individual resistor in each series with a multimeter, matched them perfectly for each position in the amp and then put those exact values back in exactly the same spots in the amp?

C'mon, man

There is no way you did that. Most likely what you were hearing is the differences in values based on the tolerances of the resistors and what spots they went in.

Steve

I didn't need to... All resistors used were rated @ 1% tolerance. Are you telling me that a 1% or even 5% tolerance in resistors is going to change the sound? If yes, you have no business building amplifiers, nor would I recommend that anyone seek your advice on anything other than cooking pasta...

If you're thinking in terms of a possible procedural variance... Impossible! Everything I do, is done to absolute perfection!

You're priceless.

Steve

And I'm right!

No you're dead wrong, and I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you, but you're still priceless!

Steve

Really? Then please, explain it to me as though I have zero experience in theory, circuity, and control wiring.

I just said I wasn't going to bother. Please read more carefully in the future...

BTW - you have no experience in theory, circuitry, etc., but you know for a fact that 1% (or even 5% ) tolerance in resistors won't change the sound of an amp in the slightest and if I think so, I have no business building amps, correct?

Also, I would not rely on me for pasta cooking advice...

Steve

Really? Would you like to pit your knowledge vs. my knowledge to a live test?

Oops... Misread... I thought you were saying you had zero experience in theory, circuitry, etc. Disregard my previous comment...

Regardless, I have no interest in pitting my knowledge of guitar amps against yours in any way. I'm secure that my B.S.E.E. in Electrical Engineering, the massive amount of research I've done into amplifier circuits and theory and the experience of bringing an amp to market that a lot of people dig qualifies me to comment on them without having to defend myself to you or anyone else.

If you really want to know why 1% tolerance could affect the sound of an amp (and 5% tolerance most certainly would), do some of your own research. There is ample information available as well as calculators that could help you. Might want to start with "Inside Tube Amps" by Dan Torres and extrapolate what you learn.

Or... you could just be wasting time trolling, with or without real knowledge... All good to me...

Steve

 

[JerEvil]

So JerEvil,

What is it and features?

I PM'd you.

 

[TrueTone500]

...you could just be wasting time trolling, with or without real knowledge... All good to me...

Steve

Excuse me, but how am I the troll when you're the one would counterpointed my post? This place is fucking whacked!

 

[Anonymous]

...you could just be wasting time trolling, with or without real knowledge... All good to me...

Steve

Excuse me, but how am I the troll when you're the one would counterpointed my post? This place is fucking whacked!

Sure it is...

Steve

 

[TrueTone500]

...you could just be wasting time trolling, with or without real knowledge... All good to me...

Steve

Excuse me, but how am I the troll when you're the one would counterpointed my post? This place is fucking whacked!

Sure it is...

Steve

You made one of you typical wise-ass remarks on my thread, and I didn't want you to miss my reply.

Here it is...

 

[311boogieman]

Just heard from Scott. This thing is going to have some seriously cool features IMHO.

I offered myself up as an amp testing clip maker ...

Awesome.

Some REAL information.


Oh, and you're the guy to do it!

 

[Anonymous]

...you could just be wasting time trolling, with or without real knowledge... All good to me...

Steve

Excuse me, but how am I the troll when you're the one would counterpointed my post? This place is fucking whacked!

Sure it is...

Steve

You made one of you typical wise-ass remarks on my thread, and I didn't want you to miss my reply.

Here it is...

Steve, I recommend you build an amplifier that sounds like something worth owning. I love the look of your Henning Cherry Bomb, but the sound... The top-end is harsh, midrange sounds like a Rockman, and the bottom-end is as non musical as a Mesa/Boogie Mark IV.

I can build a better sounding amp with my cock!

Sowwy... didn't mean to hurt your wittle feewings...

Looking forward to hearing your cock-built amp!

Steve

 

[JerEvil]

Just heard from Scott. This thing is going to have some seriously cool features IMHO.

I offered myself up as an amp testing clip maker ...

Awesome.

Some REAL information.


Oh, and you're the guy to do it!

Awww … shucks!

Did ou hear the clip I posted earlier? Just some rock stuff but using a new OD for a boost.

 

[311boogieman]

Looking forward to hearing your cock-built amp!

You never will because TrueTone doesn't do clips. Either his equipment isn't working or he is afraid someone will steal his music.

Awww … shucks!

Did ou hear the clip I posted earlier? Just some rock stuff but using a new OD for a boost.

Not yet but I saw the thread. Will check later tonight when I'm in a better environment


Also - please PM me on features. Thanks!

 

[Chubtone]

Now we're getting somewhere! I sense some real potential in this thread. Of course it will have nothing to do with the topic.

And BTW, Steve's pasta sucks!

 

[Chubtone]

Oh yeah, I think Steve's amp sounds great but LOOKS like a Rockman!

And where exactly is your B.S.E.E. from? Is it from a school that used to have a good football team?

 

[Anonymous]

Oh yeah, I think Steve's amp sounds great but LOOKS like a Rockman!

And where exactly is your B.S.E.E. from? Is it from a school that used to have a good football team?

Steve

 

[TrueTone500]

Looking forward to hearing your cock-built amp!

Steve

That's it! You are a genius!

 

[Anonymous]

Looking forward to hearing your cock-built amp!

Steve

That's it! You are a genius!

I knew you'd eventually see the light!

Steve

 

[TrueTone500]

Looking forward to hearing your cock-built amp!

Steve

That's it! You are a genius!

I knew you'd eventually see the light!

Steve

Was actually a poor attempt at sarcasm on my part... I'm on RT, and I'm learning.