Standard tuning vs low tunings

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I don't necessarily write in specific tunings. I may come up with something in C std or even A std that there is something I really like about, but it just isn't popping out. Then I go and play it in E or Eb and bam, there it is. Otoh, I may play something in E std first, but never really completely gel with it, then I play it in C or A standard and I'm like yeah, there it is. It could be in the way a clean passage rings out, or the way a certain riff or chord progression hits.
 
I like playing 1/2 step down, but all of my guitars are in Standard. :D
 
i guess im doing a lot of things wrong when it comes to down tuning according to the internet :dunno: :LOL:
 
I use 10-52 Cobalt’s on my drop B 25.5”. Plus I use low output pickups. I also don’t use a shit ton of gain on the amp. I’ll use a little more if I tune higher though.
 
My personal issue with a lot of the bands tuned below A is that their tones are getting cleaner to compensate the inherent muddiness of the tuning, which in turn made it less heavy sounding overall.
 
My personal issue with a lot of the bands tuned below A is that their tones are getting cleaner to compensate the inherent muddiness of the tuning, which in turn made it less heavy sounding overall.

I got a Fortin 33 pedal a couple years ago, thinking it was going to do what I wanted it to for the lower tuned shit, it actually did the complete opposite and removed any and all balls, only to replace said balls with a scratchy AF, thin tone that made the low A go plink plink plink.

While I’m glad people are letting bass play the role of being a bass, the complete removal of all low end from guitars is a bit of pussification. That said, I saw Fear Factory last week and Dino’s live tone sounded like everything under 120Hz was chopped off, practically sounded like tuned white noise when he played by himself.
 
My personal issue with a lot of the bands tuned below A is that their tones are getting cleaner to compensate the inherent muddiness of the tuning, which in turn made it less heavy sounding overall.

I'd think an answer would be to bi-amp, running low frequencies clean and layering the distortion on higher frequencies. We do that with bass at times. I'll grant it has a huge downside of more equipment!
 
Since humans began making music, they’ve argued about pitch. Few musical decisions seem so trivial yet are so charged with meaning. A difference of just a few hertz can determine whether a sound feels bright or heavy, brilliant or dull — and often it reflects hierarchy, taste, and ideology. In the 16th and 17th centuries, pitch varied wildly from place to place: in Rome around a=392 Hz, in Northern Germany even lower (around a=390 Hz), while in Venice or Florence it could reach a=430 Hz. Musicians distinguished between the lower church pitch (used in sacred music, often a tone or two below the secular norm) and the higher chamber pitch (used in court and salon music). Sound was never neutral; it expressed social order.





During the Baroque period, a=415 Hz gradually became a loose reference point — now known as “Baroque pitch.” Yet even Bach didn’t play at one fixed frequency: in Leipzig, the church organs sounded around a=480 Hz (church pitch), while the Collegium Musicum instruments were tuned near a=415 Hz. Musicians routinely transposed between tuning systems.





By the Classical era, pitch crept higher. Around 1780, Mozart’s Vienna used roughly a=421–430 Hz, and Beethoven’s later orchestras reached a=435–440 Hz. With 19th-century industrial progress, orchestras began competing for brilliance — Dresden hit a=452 Hz, London around a=455 Hz in the 1840s. Singers — especially female singers — protested loudly: arias written for one register had become a half-step higher, straining voices and shortening careers.





In 1859, the French government tried to impose order with the diapason normal at a=435 Hz — a response in no small part to these vocal complaints. Giuseppe Verdi argued for a=432 Hz, believing it better suited the natural resonance of the human voice, particularly for sopranos and mezzos. Yet pitch continued to rise: by 1900 many orchestras tuned between a=438 Hz and a=440 Hz, and in 1939 a=440 Hz was declared the international standard.





Even that didn’t hold. Today, many symphony orchestras play at a=442–445 Hz — the Vienna Philharmonic around a=443 Hz, the Berlin Philharmonic about a=444 Hz — because the sound is said to feel more “open” and “brilliant.” The supposed standard is, once again, an aesthetic of raising.





Meanwhile, a different tradition in the American South followed its own path. The early country blues guitarists — the so-called “Blinds” like Blind Lemon Jefferson, Blind Blake, Blind Willie Johnson, or Blind Boy Fuller — didn’t care about any standard pitch at all. They tuned by ear, by voice, or to a harmonica that was itself off-pitch. Their guitars might have sat anywhere between a=390 Hz and a=430 Hz. Most played in open tunings such as Open D (DADF#AD) or Open G (DGDGBD) — sometimes called Vestapol or Spanish tuning — because these resonant setups let the slide sing and the voice float freely above it. The pitch was whatever fit the song, the street, and the moment. Their slightly “off” tunings, often hovering between keys, became part of the blues’ emotional color — loose, imperfect, and alive.





Rock musicians inherited that spirit of fluid pitch. Guitarists began tuning lower again: a=415 Hz for vintage warmth, a=432 Hz for a more organic feel, a=400 Hz or lower for metal tunings like Drop-D, Drop-C, or Drop-B. For Tony Iommi, downtuning started as necessity: after losing the tips of two fingers in an industrial accident, he lowered his strings by three semitones (C♯ tuning) to ease tension — and accidentally created the sound that defined heavy metal.





This long story of tuning has its modern twin in the “loudness war” of mixing and mastering. In both cases, competition drives escalation: orchestras raising pitch to sound more brilliant; producers pushing loudness to make songs stand out. The psychoacoustic trick is the same — our ears momentarily prefer the brighter or louder signal, mistaking intensity for quality. But the cost is similar too: 19th-century singers (again, especially women in the most exposed high roles) suffered vocal strain, while the digital era suffers from crushed dynamics and ear fatigue. Both are battles for attention, fought with physics.





Just as some musicians now return to historical pitch to rediscover warmth and space, mastering engineers advocate for dynamic range and loudness normalization to let music breathe again. The pendulum keeps swinging between brilliance and depth, control and resonance.





That same search for balance plays out on a personal scale, too. I, for example, play my P90 Les Pauls mostly at a=440 Hz, switching between Drop-C, Drop-B, or Standard E for more aggressive, fast-paced music — that modern tension gives the attack and precision I want. But when I write more relaxed, atmospheric compositions, I tune to a=432 Hz. I love the feel of looser strings — that soft, elastic resistance that lets the tone breathe and shimmer. That’s why I use 10–52 gauge strings: thick enough for depth and punch, but flexible enough for expression and nuance. It’s a tactile way of exploring the same timeless question: how tight should music be, and when does looseness become its own kind of power?





So when musicians argue today about “standard E” versus “downtuning,” or producers about –8 LUFS versus –14, they’re continuing the same centuries-old conversation about the politics of sound — a history of power, aesthetics, bodies, and technology. High pitch stands for precision and dominance; low pitch for gravity and resistance. Loudness fights for impact; silence fights for meaning.





In the end, none of it really matters — as long as it inspires you and, with luck, brings a few beautiful musical gifts to others.
 
Since humans began making music, they’ve argued about pitch. Few musical decisions seem so trivial yet are so charged with meaning. A difference of just a few hertz can determine whether a sound feels bright or heavy, brilliant or dull — and often it reflects hierarchy, taste, and ideology. In the 16th and 17th centuries, pitch varied wildly from place to place: in Rome around a=392 Hz, in Northern Germany even lower (around a=390 Hz), while in Venice or Florence it could reach a=430 Hz. Musicians distinguished between the lower church pitch (used in sacred music, often a tone or two below the secular norm) and the higher chamber pitch (used in court and salon music). Sound was never neutral; it expressed social order.





During the Baroque period, a=415 Hz gradually became a loose reference point — now known as “Baroque pitch.” Yet even Bach didn’t play at one fixed frequency: in Leipzig, the church organs sounded around a=480 Hz (church pitch), while the Collegium Musicum instruments were tuned near a=415 Hz. Musicians routinely transposed between tuning systems.





By the Classical era, pitch crept higher. Around 1780, Mozart’s Vienna used roughly a=421–430 Hz, and Beethoven’s later orchestras reached a=435–440 Hz. With 19th-century industrial progress, orchestras began competing for brilliance — Dresden hit a=452 Hz, London around a=455 Hz in the 1840s. Singers — especially female singers — protested loudly: arias written for one register had become a half-step higher, straining voices and shortening careers.





In 1859, the French government tried to impose order with the diapason normal at a=435 Hz — a response in no small part to these vocal complaints. Giuseppe Verdi argued for a=432 Hz, believing it better suited the natural resonance of the human voice, particularly for sopranos and mezzos. Yet pitch continued to rise: by 1900 many orchestras tuned between a=438 Hz and a=440 Hz, and in 1939 a=440 Hz was declared the international standard.





Even that didn’t hold. Today, many symphony orchestras play at a=442–445 Hz — the Vienna Philharmonic around a=443 Hz, the Berlin Philharmonic about a=444 Hz — because the sound is said to feel more “open” and “brilliant.” The supposed standard is, once again, an aesthetic of raising.





Meanwhile, a different tradition in the American South followed its own path. The early country blues guitarists — the so-called “Blinds” like Blind Lemon Jefferson, Blind Blake, Blind Willie Johnson, or Blind Boy Fuller — didn’t care about any standard pitch at all. They tuned by ear, by voice, or to a harmonica that was itself off-pitch. Their guitars might have sat anywhere between a=390 Hz and a=430 Hz. Most played in open tunings such as Open D (DADF#AD) or Open G (DGDGBD) — sometimes called Vestapol or Spanish tuning — because these resonant setups let the slide sing and the voice float freely above it. The pitch was whatever fit the song, the street, and the moment. Their slightly “off” tunings, often hovering between keys, became part of the blues’ emotional color — loose, imperfect, and alive.





Rock musicians inherited that spirit of fluid pitch. Guitarists began tuning lower again: a=415 Hz for vintage warmth, a=432 Hz for a more organic feel, a=400 Hz or lower for metal tunings like Drop-D, Drop-C, or Drop-B. For Tony Iommi, downtuning started as necessity: after losing the tips of two fingers in an industrial accident, he lowered his strings by three semitones (C♯ tuning) to ease tension — and accidentally created the sound that defined heavy metal.





This long story of tuning has its modern twin in the “loudness war” of mixing and mastering. In both cases, competition drives escalation: orchestras raising pitch to sound more brilliant; producers pushing loudness to make songs stand out. The psychoacoustic trick is the same — our ears momentarily prefer the brighter or louder signal, mistaking intensity for quality. But the cost is similar too: 19th-century singers (again, especially women in the most exposed high roles) suffered vocal strain, while the digital era suffers from crushed dynamics and ear fatigue. Both are battles for attention, fought with physics.





Just as some musicians now return to historical pitch to rediscover warmth and space, mastering engineers advocate for dynamic range and loudness normalization to let music breathe again. The pendulum keeps swinging between brilliance and depth, control and resonance.





That same search for balance plays out on a personal scale, too. I, for example, play my P90 Les Pauls mostly at a=440 Hz, switching between Drop-C, Drop-B, or Standard E for more aggressive, fast-paced music — that modern tension gives the attack and precision I want. But when I write more relaxed, atmospheric compositions, I tune to a=432 Hz. I love the feel of looser strings — that soft, elastic resistance that lets the tone breathe and shimmer. That’s why I use 10–52 gauge strings: thick enough for depth and punch, but flexible enough for expression and nuance. It’s a tactile way of exploring the same timeless question: how tight should music be, and when does looseness become its own kind of power?





So when musicians argue today about “standard E” versus “downtuning,” or producers about –8 LUFS versus –14, they’re continuing the same centuries-old conversation about the politics of sound — a history of power, aesthetics, bodies, and technology. High pitch stands for precision and dominance; low pitch for gravity and resistance. Loudness fights for impact; silence fights for meaning.





In the end, none of it really matters — as long as it inspires you and, with luck, brings a few beautiful musical gifts to others.

Cool story, Bot
 

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