Stevie Ray who?

['63-Strat]

didn't srv use a 63' strat?

Yes, he did. He originally thought it was a '59, but in fact his main number one was a '63 with a '62 neck. Phillip Sayce and Chris Duarte also use '63's as their main guitars. I knew none of that when I got mine in '97 for ~$2200 USD (around $3000 Canadian at the time) though. Mine is a refin but had it checked out prior to and all parts are original. I also wouldn't be surprised if he had his pickups rewound, either.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/columns/ ... itars.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV_guitars
(notice that while it says '59 at first it later says '63, and also '63 as model used to make his sig)

Also, Clapton apprently used a '63 strat to compose layla and used it in derek and the dominoes and blind faith.

http://www.chrisduartegroupfans.org/2nd%20strat.html

Good year for strats

 

[jessexxx]

ask yourselves this...who changed rock and roll guitar more??..clapton? or srv??
who will leave the biggest mark on guitar playing??

Eddie Van Halen is the real answer.

if ya ask me,....eddie was the nail in the coffin of guitarists as musicians,...turned them into technique twits with little reguard to "sound"...it became all about speed.....i could care less about how fast you can play a scale,...

something i have noticed here is the warm memories reguarding the 80's hair bands,....to me this period was a very dark and depressing time in rock and roll guitar,...

as for me,..i will take substance over style everytime


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[Gainzilla]

if ya ask me,....eddie was the nail in the coffin of guitarists as musicians,...turned them into technique twits with little reguard to "sound"...it became all about speed.....i could care less about how fast you can play a scale,...

something i have noticed here is the warm memories reguarding the 80's hair bands,....to me this period was a very dark and depressing time in rock and roll guitar,...

as for me,..i will take substance over style everytime


i'm jessexxx and i support this ad

EVH raised the bar and ushered in a whole new approach that obviously inspired legions of players. Was there a glut of souless wanking afterwards? Absolutely but there were also many many players of taste and substance who came out of that period, who also happened to have chops.

MTV and the music companies all jumped on a band wagon and signed any dork who looked good in spandex and had basic guitar skills and we ended up with alot of cheese but there was an assload of talent as well

Its pretty obvious to me that you just arent into that style of playing, which is Ok but dont write it off due to your own personal preferences...

 

[bds9487]

ask yourselves this...who changed rock and roll guitar more??..clapton? or srv??
who will leave the biggest mark on guitar playing??

Eddie Van Halen is the real answer.

if ya ask me,....eddie was the nail in the coffin of guitarists as musicians,...turned them into technique twits with little reguard to "sound"...it became all about speed.....i could care less about how fast you can play a scale,...

something i have noticed here is the warm memories reguarding the 80's hair bands,....to me this period was a very dark and depressing time in rock and roll guitar,...

as for me,..i will take substance over style everytime


i'm jessexxx and i support this ad

 

[vultures]

I'm not big into blues stuff anymore, but I started learning guitar on stuff like Jimi and SRV.. It was the reason why I wanted to play, really inspiring stuff there, you know? Something about them grabbed you, especially (like what was said before) the intensity/attack/grab SRV had. My dad almost every night sits in his room with his 20+ year old strat and Fender twin slamming out blues riffs, Jimi and SRV songs. He plays Clapton too, and I'm sure he appreciates him.. But nothing I've heard from EC really grabbed me like that.

I mean, one minute you were saying you're only comparing 2 years of material and then you mention on about how he's done a lifetime of work. I don't think you can compare an artist who's been around a long time and has time to change/mature/hone his skills to a musician who isn't even around. You never know what kind of stuff SRV could be putting out that could still blow people's minds.

That's really all I've got to say

 

[King Crimson]

....i could care less about how fast you can play a scale,...

Only lame fuckers that can't shred harmonic rich scales state stupid shit like this...

Just like when hideous fat grotesque women say - love is in the eye of the beholder...

- KC

 

[thiswaythatway]

ask yourselves this...who changed rock and roll guitar more??..clapton? or srv??
who will leave the biggest mark on guitar playing??

Eddie Van Halen is the real answer.

if ya ask me,....eddie was the nail in the coffin of guitarists as musicians,...turned them into technique twits with little reguard to "sound"...it became all about speed.....i could care less about how fast you can play a scale,...

something i have noticed here is the warm memories reguarding the 80's hair bands,....to me this period was a very dark and depressing time in rock and roll guitar,...

as for me,..i will take substance over style everytime


i'm jessexxx and i support this ad

I disagree because the 80's still had a lot of great stuff. Randy Rhoads to me was every bit as good a musician as he was a guitar player. And if everyone had no regard to "sound" then what was the whole thing about the "Brown Sound" ? Just about everyone was chasing that sound, actually far too many still are chasing that sound.

And guys like Clapton took huge steps backwards all by themselves in the 80's. As soon as ZZTop went MTV is was a fucking embarressment. Although, they probably made a ton of cash.

 

[Bad Brad]

Stevie was great but Clapton is "legendary" Yardbirds, Cream, Blind Faith, Derek and the Domino's, John Mayall and the bluesbreakers, etc... He reinvented himself at every crossroad and yes that's a play on words. I saw Clapton just a few months ago, still rocking, and he even did Little Wing go figure.

 

[jessexxx]

....i could care less about how fast you can play a scale,...

Only lame fuckers that can't shred harmonic rich scales state stupid shit like this...

Just like when hideous fat grotesque women say - love is in the eye of the beholder...

- KC

i'm not sure my post deserved a response like yours....but no,..i have no use for shred,..to me it's boring..it has no muscial worth at all,....to me music is for the "ears",...not to blind the "eyes" of a 15 year old .......and why is the 15 year old guitarist impressed with speed??....because he thinks/has been mislead...into thinking thats what makes a guitarist good!!

i guess it boils down to would you rather be a guitarist or a musician!

peace man.

 

[jessexxx]

[

if ya ask me,....eddie was the nail in the coffin of guitarists as musicians,...turned them into technique twits with little reguard to "sound"...it became all about speed.....i could care less about how fast you can play a scale,...

something i have noticed here is the warm memories reguarding the 80's hair bands,....to me this period was a very dark and depressing time in rock and roll guitar,...

as for me,..i will take substance over style everytime


i'm jessexxx and i support this ad[/quote]


I disagree because the 80's still had a lot of great stuff. Randy Rhoads to me was every bit as good a musician as he was a guitar player. And if everyone had no regard to "sound" then what was the whole thing about the "Brown Sound" ? Just about everyone was chasing that sound, actually far too many still are chasing that sound.

And guys like Clapton took huge steps backwards all by themselves in the 80's. As soon as ZZTop went MTV is was a fucking embarressment. Although, they probably made a ton of cash.[/quote]



you make some great points,...my problem isnt so much eddie himself but with what happened in his wake...he had a great original sound,....but the out come was that his followers focused on the tapping technique,,,and the illusion of the speed it produced.

 

[bds9487]

....i could care less about how fast you can play a scale,...

Just like when hideous fat grotesque women say - love is in the eye of the beholder...

- KC

I heard that from your wife when she was talking about you. Has she had the lap-band surgery, yet? She said it worked pretty good for you.

 

[bunghole]

Its pretty obvious to me that you just arent into that style of playing, which is Ok but dont write it off due to your own personal preferences...

Kage, there you go trying to be reasonable

we all know that if a guitarist plays fast that they have no "feel" to their music

 

[degenaro]

....i could care less about how fast you can play a scale,...

Only lame fuckers that can't shred harmonic rich scales state stupid shit like this...

Just like when hideous fat grotesque women say - love is in the eye of the beholder...

- KC

Hmmmm....not sure what shredding harmonic rich scales is....since by definition a scale is-when shredding it-a melodic fragment. But fuck it I play, funnily enough the guys I can think of with severe single string chops are all so far removed from the speed part being the important part. So, yes I do agree that the 80s mostly were wasteland of rootrunning, same sounding guitarist. That said it was about time that Rock and worst...Metal guitarists started to catch up with what guys in other genres had figured out a few decades earlier.

 

[degenaro]

you make some great points,...my problem isnt so much eddie himself but with what happened in his wake...he had a great original sound,....but the out come was that his followers focused on the tapping technique,,,and the illusion of the speed it produced.

I don't think that was so much EVJ then Yngwie...

 

[ke2]

remember Stevie was only known nationally for about 7 years, your comparing him to clapton who has been around now about 43 years, SRV is the shit IMO

I was comparing him to Cream era Clapton, which was 2 years

Carl, serious question? why do you think Clapton was so on fire during Cream and never really did anything as powerful later on? Not saying he didn't grow as a player but the Cream era stuff was more I guess RAW,and in your FACE.

He was in his early 20s. He just came off a stint in John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, which was strict blues.
Jimi had influence on him.

The biggest reason were his bandmtes. Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce came from a jazz backround.
EC was basically thrown into the deep end of the pool.
Live , these guys were not only playing, but competing with each other. They were as much playing to impress each other as the audience

Cream started out playing their tunes pretty straight up, but when they came to the US, specifically San Franciso, with stoned audiences, light shows, etc....the audience just wanted them to play, so the numbers got stretched into long jams.

They were the first to admit, they could not recreate the intensity every single night. Some nights were magic and some werent.
With 2 years of steady touring they burnt themselves out.

Why did he change? Couse we're only in our early 20's ONCE.

Would Jimi be burning Strats in his 50's and 60's?
I doubt it.
Why is Blackmore playing that crazy shit with his GF?

Because these guys have done it for years. They have been to the mountaintop....and naturally mellow as they get older.[/quote]

Geroge Lynch is over 50, Paul Gilbert is 42, Yngwie is 45, Iommi is 60, Dio is 66.....

Jimi and Eric burned themselves out on drugs, there`s a reason Ronnie Dio is still on fire @ 66, man. Age doesn`t mean as much as taking care of yourself. Blackmore was always a dreamer/medieval dude. He did greensleeves at an early stage, for example

 

[FriedChickenBandit]

The SRV references in the Jack Bruce/ Zep thread are amusing. His severly limited bag of licks (repeated endlessly) would have dried up quick in a Cream type band.

There was Texas blues long before SRV that IMO was done much better. Johnny Winter , etc.

Here's a more obscure band that in '72 was tucking SRV in at night-


http://www.supload.com/music/Texas-Blue ... 48IVJ.html

Johnny Winter And (w/ Rick Derringer)

http://www.supload.com/music/Its-My-Own ... W6UIK.html


Jimi wasn't too bad either

http://www.supload.com/music/Red-House- ... IOZPY.html

Alright, so SRV had mainly 2 licks and..actually yes, all of his playing was done with those two licks (and his pentatonic scales were disgustingly tiny boxes) at lightning fast speed and at slower speeds. He basically just changed the tempo of his main (2) licks but that goes to show you how great he was that most guitar players don't realize this. Let alone the average Joe.

SRV was still one of the few that could get away with that and sound incredible, the other bands you mention specially bad ass Johnny Winter were good but they sounded like shit tone wise next to SRV and their bends and vibratos didn't make you want to play Blues like SRV did. Then add his speed to the minor pentatonic scale and to this day only one guy plays the minor pentatonic faster and as beautiful as him and that's Eric johnson. I just never heard anyone else play that scale like those two guys.

He was great and there's no chance in hell anyone could talk shit about SRV and be taken seriously. And listen carefully to that band that tucked SRV in at night..the guitar player's vibrato sounds nothing like a Blues vibrato..it's a mess. Sounds like a 60s acid rock band doing the classical, nylon string vibrato. It's too fast and out of tempo with the song and weak as fuck. It's why SRV was SRV!

 

[RaceU4her]

Here is a cool Clapton vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_M9zWORBuA

terrible playing and even worse tone if you ask me. ive never heard one thing by clapton i have even remotely liked outside a couple blind faith songs. very overrated if you ask me

 

[Slaytallica]

Here is a cool Clapton vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_M9zWORBuA

terrible playing and even worse tone if you ask me. ive never heard one thing by clapton i have even remotely liked outside a couple blind faith songs. very overrated if you ask me

that was a gag video. great observations