Stock Licks or Original Licks?

[SpiderWars]

I generally like players with a trademark style. I love all 3 players you mentioned (EJ/Yngwie/Gilbert) because they had a style so cool others wanted to copy it. There are tons of players with all the technical skills but having that something special that makes me actually want to listen is another thing entirely.

 

[Mr. Willy]

Jerry plays a lot of stock licks. Not knocking it, I do the same thing. I think that, in the end, as long as a player crafts leads that are musical and memorable, I can enjoy and appreciate it. I'm more amazed by guys who throw in their own unique licks, but even so, if it isn't musical it doesn't move me.

 

[spirit7]

Both are valuable and good.

Lol at Jerry Cantrell being a "unique player". He's hardly Robert Fripp.

-C

 

[mooncobra]

early dave Navarro, first couple janes addiction albums. there is a little stock stuff, but some really cool stuff as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmvG2GZ3S7o - fast forward to 435, I love this solo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCG6y_v6Gbg - off 1st studio album, he was 17 or 18 when he recorded this, there's few cool solos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CpRCc4Jre8 - fast forward to 255

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAHq8pvfcU - some simple solos, but he hits the perfect notes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_3oOUfpdVY - some awesome solos in this - for being 17 or 18 years old, damn.

 

[JackBootedThug]

i can only speak for myself.....i play the same solo over an over....just change the key and timing for whatever song. hello rigtalk....i'm stock and i suck.....

 

[SpiderWars]

i can only speak for myself.....i play the same solo over an over....just change the key and timing for whatever song. hello rigtalk....i'm stock and i suck.....

Lol, I bet there's a little Shine On You Crazy Diamond in every solo I play.

Which reminds me that I love Gilmour so maybe what I said in my first post was a buncha BS. Very stock but damn what note choice, timing, and phrasing.

 

[skoora]

I personally like a nice Chicken stock

 

[mudf00t]

I don't really generally judge guitar players by their soloing. I am more interested in their songwriting or use of chords. Way back in the day, I could shred just like pretty much everyone... I lived on Guitar for the Practicing Musician mags and even wrote some decent original stuff myself... I can barely remember how to play any of it anymore. From the mid-90s, I basically gave up playing solos and just concentrated on writing enough songs to fill out a 3 hour set.

Then I heard Aaron Marshall and realized that I wasted my life. Just sick song writing and solos.

Nothing conventional here...

 

[lespaul6]

Players that have their own style appeal to me.... Slash is a perfect example where he can play a typical blues lick but it has his personality coming though it, changing it, and making it to be what it is. Its not the type of licks played... its how they are played. Same with painting... lots of artists use the same old colors yet no two artists are exactly the same in what they produce.

 

[mudf00t]

I don't really generally judge guitar players by their soloing. I am more interested in their songwriting or use of chords. Way back in the day, I could shred just like pretty much everyone... I lived on Guitar for the Practicing Musician mags and even wrote some decent original stuff myself... I can barely remember how to play any of it anymore. From the mid-90s, I basically gave up playing solos and just concentrated on writing enough songs to fill out a 3 hour set.

Then I heard Aaron Marshall and realized that I wasted my life. Just sick song writing and solos.

Nothing conventional here...

are you sure. sounds like every other proto-djent band with a soft singer instead of breaking into screams (ala Periphery). All the rhythms are new school djent style and the little busy patterns are all fairly repetitive and similar in flow to all the soloing which is also fairly conventional shreddery style leads. I don't hear anything particularly original here given how popular this type of new djent-pop has become....

as far as the SONG content, its really a little too busy to keep my interest in the lead melody.

that being said. I like it I like this kind of stuff and all the drum fills and dragon force lead guitar tone etc etc.

We could even call it nerd rock, because really only guitar nerds like me listen to this shit anyway.

Maybe you would appreciate this one more.

I guess I am probably older than you (47). Maybe I am wrong. Over time, you begin to gain respect for a lot of different stuff that isn't necessarily the "best" but has a personal appeal for you. Musical Art, to me, is about music and about music appreciation. I don't think other djent bands sound like Intervals, either. I would classify them more progressive than djent, anyway.

Here are a list of some of my "favorite" bands over the last year or so. Not in any particular order.

Killswitch Engage
Kreator
Gojira
Tesseract
Textures
Steel Panther
Joe Bonamassa
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Black Tora
Katatonia
The Omega Experiment

 

[mudf00t]

I had never heard that band, Rezamatix. I like it

I missed a band. I like some of Pain of Salvation's stuff as well.

 

[Halen]

Last Thursday I went and caught Billy Gibbons, Jimmy Vaughn, and Sue Foley. They were all playing the blues, but their phrasing was uniquely their own. Blues is a whole bunch of stock licks, but each player has their own vibe.

If you've not heard of Sue Foley, she's incredible.

Conversely all of the metal stuff I loved in the 80s lacks the soul of blues. It was fast and kicked ass, but at the end of the day it was just people playing scales really fast (for the most part).

 

[Stramm8]

i can only speak for myself.....i play the same solo over an over....just change the key and timing for whatever song. hello rigtalk....i'm stock and i suck.....

Well,
When I said "stock" I meant like known phrases.

I suck because I can't play any of them anyway. My solos are off the cuff, not in time and generally falling apart...

JC has said himself, that he is a "hack" guitar player. Meaning he uses "stock" licks or blues licks (including double stops just like chuck berry). How you use those licks during a solo constitutes the phrasing. The phrasing is how I identify different guitar players. Do yourself a favor and learn solos from guitar players you like note for note. You will soon realize that Angus, EVH, Duane Allman, Eric Clapton, Jerry Cantrell etc are all basically doing the same thing.

 

[rottingcorpse]

i swear i am the only weirdo i know who listens to the rhythm track behind the solos more than the solo itself.

that being said,i love hearing something unique in a solo way more that the typical note progressions usually found. and since i love up tempo metal most,i wanna hear someone go off the rails hard. the guys in threat signal have solos i like,and gary holts stuff with exodus never dissapoints me.

 

[cardinal]

Phrasing and timing are the most important skills for soloing, IMHO. Simple, "stock" riffs can sound spectacular if deployed well. Cantrell and Slash I think are good examples of guys that don't do anything crazy or unusual during their solos, but their phrasing and timing is perfect for the vibe that they want.

 

[Racerxrated]

Both are valuable and good.

Lol at Jerry Cantrell being a "unique player". He's hardly Robert Fripp.

-C

At the end of the 'We Die Young' lead there's a VERY stock riff..almost Chuck Berry ish. Love AIC.

 

[CEG85]

I'm intrigued by any musician that creates they're own style and sound. (And does it well)
There are too many guitar players out there that think they are reinventing the wheel.

 

[jsp]

Phrasing and timing are the most important skills for soloing, IMHO. Simple, "stock" riffs can sound spectacular if deployed well. Cantrell and Slash I think are good examples of guys that don't do anything crazy or unusual during their solos, but their phrasing and timing is perfect for the vibe that they want.

The best example of this IMO is Andy Timmons.

 

[mdc1mdc11]

i can only speak for myself.....i play the same solo over an over....just change the key and timing for whatever song. hello rigtalk....i'm stock and i suck.....

Lol, I bet there's a little Shine On You Crazy Diamond in every solo I play.

Which reminds me that I love Gilmour so maybe what I said in my first post was a buncha BS. Very stock but damn what note choice, timing, and phrasing.

great player and understands how to play to against changes with his leads by using effective techniques such as bending up to intervals appropriate to a chord change. (Time solo as an example). Well crafted and a better solo than some of the most advanced stuff out there. Too many players just hang out on a safe minor/major pentatonic and slug out blues riffs. Great for blues but after a while your audience tunes out (malmsteen effect).

 

[mdc1mdc11]

Both are valuable and good.

Lol at Jerry Cantrell being a "unique player". He's hardly Robert Fripp.

-C

At the end of the 'We Die Young' lead there's a VERY stock riff..almost Chuck Berry ish. Love AIC.

Never quite thought of him as a lead player, mainly a rhythm grunge guy and anti-solo. pretty boring when it does happen although I do like A&C every now an then.