Suhr pricing

[rcm78]

Well, there you have it. Straight from the horses mouth! Thanks for the clarity on the subject.

No doubt John would like to thank you too, for the misinformation and slander.

They are good trems but my guess is Suhr uses them because they got a better bulk deal on them which helps increase profit margins. Some will believe anything...if John Suhr said the sun sets in the north the fanbois would not question it and accept it as fact

They are using OFR's again because they revisited them and found them up to par again (meaning they used the Gotoh deal to go back and beat up Floyd for a better volume pricing)

I dont see any slander in there...

 

[Anonymous]

They are. But amp prices (at least from boutique builders) are worse...and worse yet are "rack guys" like Bradshaw who I think overcharge completely for what they do.

Agreed, I just don't think the materials and labour support the prices in some cases that is all... not trying to persuade anyone- just a simple statement of opinion fwiw...

You know the prices aren't supportable because you guys know how much it costs to produce a high quality, low volume (boutique, I guess) American-made amp, right? I think you'd be VERY surprised to see what the profit margin on a high quality, low volume guitar amp is after R&D, parts, marketing, facilities, labor, etc. I can tell you from experience that it isn't much at competitive, boutique prices… I think it's easy to complain if you don't know the facts…

The larger the company, the cheaper the parts used and the cheaper the labor, the cheaper the price. It's economies of scale. If you don't want to pay the price for a low volume, high quality, USA built amp, I totally understand and there are lots of alternatives from significantly larger players. But to call the prices bad or unsupportable when you don't have first hand knowledge of what goes into designing, building and marketing high quality, low volume amps I think is unfair…

I'll also make one other comment. People will often point to a specific boutique guy selling at a substantially cheaper price point and say, "See, your prices are too high!". Let's see if those builders, who come from a non-business background many times and haven't factored R&D, marketing, etc., or really created an actual business plan, are around long term selling amps at a real profit. Speaking as someone who actually created a business plan, I'd be surprised if they are… This is not a dig on any specific boutique builder or even small builders in general - it is a common issue with many folks who start small manufacturing businesses… And why they go out of business...

My 2 cents...

Steve

 

[Suhr]

This is not a dig on any specific boutique builder or even small builders in general - it is a common issue with many folks who start small manufacturing businesses… And why they go out of business...

My 2 cents...

Steve

Agreed Steve!
We charge what we have to charge to make the product, support the product, grow the company to make sure we will be here for a long time and give our employees health care and deal with the pitfalls of having a manufacturing business in Southern CA. This is the cleanest most fun guitar shop/factory I have ever worked in. The health of a company benefits the people who buy the gear big time !

 

[Anonymous]

This is not a dig on any specific boutique builder or even small builders in general - it is a common issue with many folks who start small manufacturing businesses… And why they go out of business...

My 2 cents...

Steve

Agreed Steve!
We charge what we have to charge to make the product, support the product, grow the company to make sure we will be here for a long time and give our employees health care and deal with the pitfalls of having a manufacturing business in Southern CA. This is the cleanest most fun guitar shop/factory I have ever worked in. The health of a company benefits the people who buy the gear big time !

I hope someday to build my little amp business into a quality company like yours. What you guys do is everything that is right about boutique gear and I'm proud to own one of your 7 strings and a fantastic Scott Henderson guitar...

Best,

Steve

 

[lespaul6]

...and time will tell whether or not current pricing of pleasure commodities is sustainable. My understanding was that most high end stuff purchased since 2003-2008 was done so using leveraged money from the real estate market...home equity loans etc. The vintage market took a really big hit. While many of us might not know the business model of a particular amp maker, we certainly know the business model of our own household/budget- including whether or not our wages increase in comparison to increases in the things we buy! I buy used so I'm generally out of the loop on new prices.... I do laugh when I see the MF prices on new gibsons in the 5k plus range.... I think the msrp for a les paul in 1980 was $870, those days are gone lol

 

[Shawn Lutz]

Well, there you have it. Straight from the horses mouth! Thanks for the clarity on the subject.

No doubt John would like to thank you too, for the misinformation and slander.

They are good trems but my guess is Suhr uses them because they got a better bulk deal on them which helps increase profit margins. Some will believe anything...if John Suhr said the sun sets in the north the fanbois would not question it and accept it as fact

They are using OFR's again because they revisited them and found them up to par again (meaning they used the Gotoh deal to go back and beat up Floyd for a better volume pricing)

John's a big boy and he can thank me himself asshole.

go pound sand asshat. Look up slander you idiot.

I said everything with a grain of salt with a smile only my face except this...

FUCK YOU DICKHEAD!

 

[Anonymous]

...and time will tell whether or not current pricing of pleasure commodities is sustainable. My understanding was that most high end stuff purchased since 2003-2008 was done so using leveraged money from the real estate market...home equity loans etc. The vintage market took a really big hit. While many of us might not know the business model of a particular amp maker, we certainly know the business model of our own household/budget- including whether or not our wages increase in comparison to increases in the things we buy! I buy used so I'm generally out of the loop on new prices.... I do laugh when I see the MF prices on new gibsons in the 5k plus range.... I think the msrp for a les paul in 1980 was $870, those days are gone lol

Well then, what you are saying is that the entire American boutique guitar and amp business will collapse because not enough people will be able to afford high quality, American made products. That is not going to happen - there are enough people with the disposable income who will buy them.

Comparing prices from 1980 doesn't make any sense due to inflation…

Steve

 

[Tone Zone]

Well, there you have it. Straight from the horses mouth! Thanks for the clarity on the subject.

No doubt John would like to thank you too, for the misinformation and slander.

They are good trems but my guess is Suhr uses them because they got a better bulk deal on them which helps increase profit margins. Some will believe anything...if John Suhr said the sun sets in the north the fanbois would not question it and accept it as fact

They are using OFR's again because they revisited them and found them up to par again (meaning they used the Gotoh deal to go back and beat up Floyd for a better volume pricing)

John's a big boy and he can thank me himself asshole.

go pound sand asshat. Look up slander you idiot.

I said everything with a grain of salt with a smile only my face except this...

FUCK YOU DICKHEAD!

 

[lespaul6]

...and time will tell whether or not current pricing of pleasure commodities is sustainable. My understanding was that most high end stuff purchased since 2003-2008 was done so using leveraged money from the real estate market...home equity loans etc. The vintage market took a really big hit. While many of us might not know the business model of a particular amp maker, we certainly know the business model of our own household/budget- including whether or not our wages increase in comparison to increases in the things we buy! I buy used so I'm generally out of the loop on new prices.... I do laugh when I see the MF prices on new gibsons in the 5k plus range.... I think the msrp for a les paul in 1980 was $870, those days are gone lol

Well then, what you are saying is that the entire American boutique guitar and amp business will collapse because not enough people will be able to afford high quality, American made products. That is not going to happen - there are enough people with the disposable income who will buy them.

Comparing prices from 1980 doesn't make any sense due to inflation…

Steve

If that's what you got from what I said, I'll move along now... lol

 

[lespaul6]

Well, there you have it. Straight from the horses mouth! Thanks for the clarity on the subject.

No doubt John would like to thank you too, for the misinformation and slander.

They are good trems but my guess is Suhr uses them because they got a better bulk deal on them which helps increase profit margins. Some will believe anything...if John Suhr said the sun sets in the north the fanbois would not question it and accept it as fact

They are using OFR's again because they revisited them and found them up to par again (meaning they used the Gotoh deal to go back and beat up Floyd for a better volume pricing)

John's a big boy and he can thank me himself asshole.

go pound sand asshat. Look up slander you idiot.

I said everything with a grain of salt with a smile only my face except this...

FUCK YOU DICKHEAD!

 

[Anonymous]

...and time will tell whether or not current pricing of pleasure commodities is sustainable. My understanding was that most high end stuff purchased since 2003-2008 was done so using leveraged money from the real estate market...home equity loans etc. The vintage market took a really big hit. While many of us might not know the business model of a particular amp maker, we certainly know the business model of our own household/budget- including whether or not our wages increase in comparison to increases in the things we buy! I buy used so I'm generally out of the loop on new prices.... I do laugh when I see the MF prices on new gibsons in the 5k plus range.... I think the msrp for a les paul in 1980 was $870, those days are gone lol

Well then, what you are saying is that the entire American boutique guitar and amp business will collapse because not enough people will be able to afford high quality, American made products. That is not going to happen - there are enough people with the disposable income who will buy them.

Comparing prices from 1980 doesn't make any sense due to inflation…

Steve

If that's what you got from what I said, I'll move along now... lol

I don't know what you're "loling" about. Your post is all over the place. I tried to summarize, but I guess I missed whatever obtuse point you were trying to make…

Steve

 

[lespaul6]

yeah, you should just ignore posts you don't understand...

 

[Anonymous]

yeah, you should just ignore posts you don't understand...

Yeah, you should learn how to make a clear point. I gleaned what I could from a post that says many things and nothing at the same time...

Steve

 

[lespaul6]

You sure have taken an interest in the unintelligible

 

[Metlupass2]

So back to Suhrs........

 

[RG955TT]

SUHR GUITARS...excellent value for the money, beautifully made from the very best woods and parts, best customer service you will ever find, best most consistent guitars I have ever played (which is why I have 5). No more expensive than any other US made custom guitars and cheaper than a lot of them including Fenders own custom shop guitars which in my opinion are far more hit or miss. The Pro series in general are stomping for the coin!

 

[Metlupass2]

You will not find a better deal than this Suhr. It was mine and I sold it back in April to help fund my fiancés engagement ring


https://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... light=Suhr

 

[Tone Zone]

You will not find a better deal than this Suhr. It was mine and I sold it back in April to help fund my fiancés engagement ring


https://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... light=Suhr

That's insane.

 

[Suhr]

...and time will tell whether or not current pricing of pleasure commodities is sustainable. My understanding was that most high end stuff purchased since 2003-2008 was done so using leveraged money from the real estate market...home equity loans etc. The vintage market took a really big hit. While many of us might not know the business model of a particular amp maker, we certainly know the business model of our own household/budget- including whether or not our wages increase in comparison to increases in the things we buy! I buy used so I'm generally out of the loop on new prices.... I do laugh when I see the MF prices on new gibsons in the 5k plus range.... I think the msrp for a les paul in 1980 was $870, those days are gone lol

I understand what you are saying since my wife is in Real Estate, so where my parents.
Vintage market is a completely different animal than new product pricing. It is inflated to begin with. You can't compare the vintage market to new product. I have seen the vintage market drop 30% at the same time we have a 100% increase in new guitar sales.

We have had such exponential growth every year fro 17 years I would think that someone of my size even though not considered "boutique" size on TGP….
Is somewhat immune to market fluctuations for new product. Everything I see only shows prices going up. Plus, wood supplies are getting more scarce. Koa has gone through the roof, Pau Ferro will go away soon too Brazilian is difficult to find legal sources. As the wood supplies become more protected prices will go up. Also consider I bought a 74 super beetle brand new for $3,200 so there is a healthy amount of inflation.

 

[yngzaklynch]

Is there an industry dedicated to trying to replenish various types of trees that are getting scarce in number?

By the way Mr Suhr my alder and maple Modern Custom Carve top does more than fine. Other than the quilt nothing exotic. Just a classic combination of tone woods that sounds and sustains exceptionally well.