Supreme Court rules against Death for Child Rapists..

[yngzaklynch]

He'd have eventually stopped... he got caught before he was old enough to lose the urge...

Steve

Eventually? The guy was 60 years old.

I understand that. I'm still saying he eventually would have stopped. Maybe he would have been 70, I don't know. I just know that the psychology of serial killers is that they eventually don't act on the urges anymore because they aren't as compelled.

Steve

I'm interested in where you got your info on this. I work in a prison and have had conversations with our psychologists and counselors. Pedophiles don't get "cured" and neither do serial killers. They stop when they die or get incarcerated from what I'm told. Also I have watched documenteries on tv. You know the ones A&E, the History Ch., etc... these documenteries pretty much echo the same thing. If you have info or research showing something different I'd love to read it. I'm not being a smart ass. Given my current occupation I do try to educate myself on our more extreme residents. My prison is not one of the more nasty ones thank God. But we do have murderers, pedophiles, sociopaths, etc... the more I know the safer I might be.

 

[ratter]

It wasn't clear to me. Especially when you insult people for their political beliefs. I don't like what he said, but what does it matter whether he is affiliated with the Democratic party? I've heard Republicans say plenty of unbelievably stupid things as well... no need to call it out...

Steve

Sorry I wasn't clear - I meant Fagan. Whether or not I agree with psychodave pointing out that he's a democrat, what came out of Fagan's mouth is so unbelievably stupid that it almost defies belief. If you peel back the layers and layers of retardation to get to the point that he's making (which I don't think is invalid), how in the world an educated public figure like that could be so fucking boneheaded is beyond me.

 

[noseminer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyph_DZa_GQ

 

[ratter]

Oh, and one thing about the death penalty - while an inmate can escape or somehow get released and commit a crime again, I've never seen a zombie come back from the grave and commit more crimes.

And I've never seen an innocent man who has been put to death get brought back to life and set free. Our entire system is built upon the idea that it's better for a hundred guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be convicted. That is why everything is so heavily weighted in favor of the accused. And while that might suck sometimes, I think it's better than the alternative. That's just me...

 

[bravedude2]

 

[Anonymous]

Eventually? The guy was 60 years old.

I understand that. I'm still saying he eventually would have stopped. Maybe he would have been 70, I don't know. I just know that the psychology of serial killers is that they eventually don't act on the urges anymore because they aren't as compelled.

Steve

I'm interested in where you got your info on this. I work in a prison and have had conversations with our psychologists and counselors. Pedophiles don't get "cured" and neither do serial killers. They stop when they die or get incarcerated from what I'm told. Also I have watched documenteries on tv. You know the ones A&E, the History Ch., etc... these documenteries pretty much echo the same thing. If you have info or research showing something different I'd love to read it. I'm not being a smart ass. Given my current occupation I do try to educate myself on our more extreme residents. My prison is not one of the more nasty ones thank God. But we do have murderers, pedophiles, sociopaths, etc... the more I know the safer I might be.

I've read several books by experts in criminal profiling and psychological study of serial killers and I'll get you the names of them tonight when I get home and can check my bookshelf. Let me be clear about what I'm saying though. You are correct - pedophiles and serial killers are never cured. What I said was that eventually serial killers either are caught or get old enough that the compulsions that drive them to kill aren't as strong and they stop the behavior. It becomes too risky/dangerous, they lack the physcial capability and the compulsion is not strong enough to overcome that. I'm talking about old age here. The explanation given is similar to why normal people start having sex less and less as they get older. The driving need, since serial killing is a sexually related violence 100% of the time (mass murder is different), gets weaker and weaker as they get old and eventually the risk outweighs the reward. Most of them are caught while they are still young enough that the compulsion is still strong - they usually make a mistake... However, this is the reason theorized as to why the Zodiac killer was never caught - he was very cunning and avoided police capture - he was either killed, or got old enough that the compulsion wasn't strong enough to continue killing...

Steve

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Eventually? The guy was 60 years old.

I understand that. I'm still saying he eventually would have stopped. Maybe he would have been 70, I don't know. I just know that the psychology of serial killers is that they eventually don't act on the urges anymore because they aren't as compelled.

Steve

Don't you think there might be exceptions to that rule?

No, not based on the research I've read. Eventually, he would lack the compulsion due to age - 60 is not THAT old, dude. Eventually, he'd lack the physical capability and the risk would outweigh the reward. Of course, the compulsion is going to fade quicker in some than in others, but lets be clear - most make mistakes and get caught before the compulsion fade anyway...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Sorry I wasn't clear - I meant Fagan.

It was clear. I was just making a point...

Steve

 

[Marshall Freak]

I've read several books by experts in criminal profiling and psychological study of serial killers and I'll get you the names of them tonight when I get home and can check my bookshelf. Let me be clear about what I'm saying though. You are correct - pedophiles and serial killers are never cured. What I said was that eventually serial killers either are caught or get old enough that the compulsions that drive them to kill aren't as strong and they stop the behavior. It becomes too risky/dangerous, they lack the physcial capability and the compulsion is not strong enough to overcome that. I'm talking about old age here. The explanation given is similar to why normal people start having sex less and less as they get older. The driving need, since serial killing is a sexually related violence 100% of the time (mass murder is different), gets weaker and weaker as they get old and eventually the risk outweighs the reward. Most of them are caught while they are still young enough that the compulsion is still strong - they usually make a mistake... However, this is the reason theorized as to why the Zodiac killer was never caught - he was very cunning and avoided police capture - he was either killed, or got old enough that the compulsion wasn't strong enough to continue killing...



Steve

It's the same for rapists/molestors. They don't have the energy or ability at 75+ years old to subdue someone, then get an erection to do their deed etc. Their drive is still strong just like a serial killer, but the body won't do it anymore. You're never going to hear about a 95 year old serial killer or rapist doing their thing but they never get over the compulsions.

 

[Anonymous]

The title talks of the "Supreme Court" which is political. The topic is political and the person making outrageous statements is in politics. If it didn't matter what political stance he is affiliated with, why does our government and press (and the person) include their party affiliation... it is to let the public understand who they are representing

So... you do care what political party he was affiliated with and that is why you mentioned it? Sheesh... make up your mind already...

It sounded like you were defending his comments unwittingly by comparing stupid Republican comments…

Nope, merely pointing out that members of both political parties are prone to saying unbelievably stupid things, which is why it doesn't matter that Fagan is a Democrat and that is not an important part of the story... What is important is a lawyer and political representative made some horrific comments.

Steve

 

[yngzaklynch]

It's the same for rapists/molestors. They don't have the energy or ability at 75+ years old to subdue someone, then get an erection to do their deed etc. Their drive is still strong just like a serial killer, but the body won't do it anymore. You're never going to hear about a 95 year old serial killer or rapist doing their thing but they never get over the compulsions.

Buddy we got an old man that if he had a minute with any child bad things would happen fast. He's older than dirt. He's done things while in prison that have pissed off our other inmates. I won't go into specifics. But my point is just because they're old doesn't mean they aren't gonna try.

 

[Anonymous]

I've read several books by experts in criminal profiling and psychological study of serial killers and I'll get you the names of them tonight when I get home and can check my bookshelf. Let me be clear about what I'm saying though. You are correct - pedophiles and serial killers are never cured. What I said was that eventually serial killers either are caught or get old enough that the compulsions that drive them to kill aren't as strong and they stop the behavior. It becomes too risky/dangerous, they lack the physcial capability and the compulsion is not strong enough to overcome that. I'm talking about old age here. The explanation given is similar to why normal people start having sex less and less as they get older. The driving need, since serial killing is a sexually related violence 100% of the time (mass murder is different), gets weaker and weaker as they get old and eventually the risk outweighs the reward. Most of them are caught while they are still young enough that the compulsion is still strong - they usually make a mistake... However, this is the reason theorized as to why the Zodiac killer was never caught - he was very cunning and avoided police capture - he was either killed, or got old enough that the compulsion wasn't strong enough to continue killing...



Steve

It's the same for rapists/molestors. They don't have the energy or ability at 75+ years old to subdue someone, then get an erection to do their deed etc. Their drive is still strong just like a serial killer, but the body won't do it anymore. You're never going to hear about a 95 year old serial killer or rapist doing their thing but they never get over the compulsions.

The physical part of it is only one aspect from what I've read. The compulsion is still there, it just isn't as strong as they get old. Like I said, serial killing is a sexual deviate crime. Just like normal people's desire fades over time, so do the bizzare sexual deviate compulsions that drive serial killers. If not caught, eventually they stop because the risk outweighs the reward (or they are physically incapable)...

Steve

 

[bunghole]

And while that might suck sometimes, I think it's better than the alternative. That's just me...

I'd rather a few get away than a decent person like you, me, or others on this board get executed for shit we didn't do

oh - and the fact that they have to be protected from the general pop pisses me off like it does most everybody else. They need to know what it feels like to be victimized as an earlier poster stated

 

[Anonymous]

It's the same for rapists/molestors. They don't have the energy or ability at 75+ years old to subdue someone, then get an erection to do their deed etc. Their drive is still strong just like a serial killer, but the body won't do it anymore. You're never going to hear about a 95 year old serial killer or rapist doing their thing but they never get over the compulsions.

Buddy we got an old man that if he had a minute with any child bad things would happen fast. He's older than dirt. He's done things while in prison that have pissed off our other inmates. I won't go into specifics. But my point is just because they're old doesn't mean they aren't gonna try.

I don't know anything about child molestors. I've only read about serial killers...

Steve

 

[bds9487]

No, not based on the research I've read. Eventually, he would lack the compulsion due to age - 60 is not THAT old, dude. Eventually, he'd lack the physical capability and the risk would outweigh the reward. Of course, the compulsion is going to fade quicker in some than in others, but lets be clear - most make mistakes and get caught before the compulsion fade anyway...

Steve

I believe you're quoting accurately what you've read, I'm just not buying the premise that ALL serial killers eventually lose the "urge".

 

[Gainzilla]

Ill tell you one thing, had Fagan been a republican, the outcry would have been tenfold of what it is now..

Bottonline, its ridiculous no matter whose mouth it comes out of..

 

[Marshall Freak]

It's the same for rapists/molestors. They don't have the energy or ability at 75+ years old to subdue someone, then get an erection to do their deed etc. Their drive is still strong just like a serial killer, but the body won't do it anymore. You're never going to hear about a 95 year old serial killer or rapist doing their thing but they never get over the compulsions.

Buddy we got an old man that if he had a minute with any child bad things would happen fast. He's older than dirt. He's done things while in prison that have pissed off our other inmates. I won't go into specifics. But my point is just because they're old doesn't mean they aren't gonna try.

But he doesn't have to worry about being caught either, he's already caught. I'd imagine if John Wayne Gacy or Dahmer were still alive in prison, and given a chance to kill someone when they were old and knew it wouldn't matter they'd gladly do it too. I don't think any of them ever get rid of their compulsions, sexual or murdering, because they've got wires stripped inside, but as they get older they don't have the ability to do it and get away with it anymore etc.

 

[Anonymous]

I believe you're quoting accurately what you've read, I'm just not buying the premise that ALL serial killers eventually lose the "urge".

You shouldn't buy that premise. I never said it and neither did the studies I'm quoting. They never LOSE the compulsion. What happens is that in old age, the compulsion fades ENOUGH that the risk outweighs the reward and they stop.

Steve

 

[Dale B]

I could give two shits less whether the dude was a Democrat or Republican. He is still a piece of dog shit. I hope he the media rides his ass hard like they rode my little town.

 

[Anonymous]

The title talks of the "Supreme Court" which is political. The topic is political and the person making outrageous statements is in politics. If it didn't matter what political stance he is affiliated with, why does our government and press (and the person) include their party affiliation... it is to let the public understand who they are representing

So... you do care what political party he was affiliated with and that is why you mentioned it? Sheesh... make up your mind already...

It sounded like you were defending his comments unwittingly by comparing stupid Republican comments…

Nope, merely pointing out that members of both political parties are prone to saying unbelievably stupid things, which is why it doesn't matter that Fagan is a Democrat and that is not an important part of the story... What is important is a lawyer and political representative made some horrific comments.

Steve

No, I didnt care if he was democrat or republican, but I feel it is important to note. Semantics aside, "he" is an asshole for saying it.

...but I knew what you were up to...

you wrote... "It was clear. I was just making a point... "

To me it would have been like saying, "look at what this piece of shit white guy said..." Irrelevant...

Steve