Surprised: Diezel Einstein vs '82 JCM800

[FourT6and2]

No Diezel will ever nail, bang-on, the "Marshall" sound. If you want that sound, there is no substitute for the real thing. Because there is more to it than just the "tone." A Marshall feels and responds a certain way to your picking, your guitar's volume, amp volume, and so on. Same thing with a Diezel. And those variables are unique to each amp design. If you want something more versatile, the Diezel is the way to go. And if you're happy with Mode 2 on the Einstein, then I say go for it. Because the Einstein has a sweet clean channel, mode 3 is that famous Diezel high-gain, and channel 2 is actually quite useable compared to something like VH4 channel 4.

Yep, the 4th channel on VH4 is just weird. Overcompressed, unusable to my liking. Totally agree with you.
Why did you sell your VH4?

Just couldn't really use it anymore. Not in a band, live in an apartment. 50 watt Einstein combo is perfect.

 

[Schaf]

You know, the one limiting factor of an 800 is that it lacks a clean channel.. i don't need pristine cleans though, just a quick way to go from zero to hero. I figure something like a Paul Gilbert detox pedal could work for that though.

I have a Metro loop in my 800. I run an RP1000 in 4cm. While I use the 800 and a boost or od for my main sound, I can instantly switch to a model from the pedal for a pristine clean sound. I still use my volume knob for a slightly dirty clean, when I need a clean clean I just use the twin reverb model on the pedal. It's very convincing.

Many wont put the loop in. But for me, it's the best $140 I've spent on gear. I play in a cover band and what I can't do with just the amp and OD's, I can use the pedal for modern high gain and clean sounds.

Agreed. The metro loop made my JCM the top of the pile amp for me. I love it and wouldn't go without one. As you mentioned you can go from varying levels of gain light crunch - crunch- beefed up- hot rod (with pedal).

So how does the RP100 clean replace the preamp gain? I mean if you have the preamp on say 6 or 7, how does the RP1000 cover that?

Since it's 4 cable method, it bypasses the preamp through the loop. So, you are only using the power amp on the JCM when you use an amp model on the pedal. So, for example, I just use the fender twin model on the pedal for my clean. Also, for more modern stuff, I'll use like a 5150 or a dual rec model. But I mostly just use no amp model (which is my) and an OD model like the SD-1 or a TS. Then maybe a little chorus or delay through the loop The way the pedal works is it routes the OD into the front end of the amp and the chorus and delay throught the loop. The thing is super easy to dial in. I still have some stomps, including an early 80's TS9. The real deal. There isn't enough difference in the two for me to pack and extra pedal. But say you do have a pedal that you really like, it has a stomp insert so you can include it in your patches. It's really a killer box for the money. If I were to do it again, I would go with the GSP1101. It's rackmount and has a few more features.

 

[232cap]

At the end of the day it's tough to beat an older Marshall with a boost. A lot of guys come full circle back to it. It's where most began.

THIS.

 

[BaRTY]

Yesterday I had some time to play both again. And now I'm leaning towards JCM800 a bit. I'll have a lot of time to compare them on saturday. JCM800 feels more open, lively sounding than einstein. JCM800 is looser on bass side. But boost helps. Also face to face Einstein crunch feels compressed which I don't like actually. The more I play both the more details I get...

 

[nevusofota]

also, an 800 rarely gets lost in a band mix.

 

[FourT6and2]

play 'em both in stereo. Diezel for gain and low-end. Marshall for upper mids. Perfect combo.

 

[BaRTY]

play 'em both in stereo. Diezel for gain and low-end. Marshall for upper mids. Perfect combo.

I'm sure it would be killer combo. But only one is to be kept.
I've got uberschall and rev f dual recto combo that mix awesome. Now I want kind of classic rock/hard rock sounding amp. uber or dual recto is too much for these tones. ) different flavor.
And I feel like einstein is obviously modern sounding compared to jcm800. ;-)

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

I dialed in my homebrew 2204 tonight.. hadn't played it in months. Took it back to stock circuit no extra gain mods. Goosed it with an SD-1 holy $hit balls... what a sound. That 2204 design is just timeless. Thunderous, tight, beefy with the volume up. Killer. I 'm going to end the endless day dreaming about other amps and just get on with it.

 

[NJM 74]

You know, the one limiting factor of an 800 is that it lacks a clean channel.. i don't need pristine cleans though, just a quick way to go from zero to hero. I figure something like a Paul Gilbert detox pedal could work for that though.

The Detox cleans it right up.
So does turning the volume on your guitar down.