terrible noise beyond hum on renengade

[tyrone]

Bought new renegade. reverb has never worked properly, direct out doesn't work (because of noise) and amp is nearly unuseable due to noise - and is unuseable in overdrive. Any trouble shooting ideas before I shoot the amp?

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

it's broke take it back and get another one.

 

[tyrone]

Thanks. I was afraid of that.

 

[Len Rabinowitz]

You might try throwing new tubes in just to see what happens. If that fixes it and the amp was purchased less than 90 days ago, Egnater will replace the tubes for free.

 

[tyrone]

Thanks. I'm trying the tube route first. I've had the amp 52 days. Not much mileage for the money.

 

[JeepGuy04]

This may be a long shot... but could you be picking up RF interference? I live close to a radio tower and I have a Marshall amp that buzzes like crazy, the reverb is useless it can get worse on OD, it's in my line out, just terrible noise, but when I take it to another location it works great.

Just a thought. I would still look at your tubes as well

Rob

 

[bruce egnater]

I'm a little confused. Your amp is almost 3 months old. I assume it had all these problems right from day one? Why would you wait 'till now to think about taking care of this? Contact nate@egnateramps.com before you randomly start replacing all the tubes, etc. You should not have waited until you became frustrated. Please allow us to help you.
1) What is the problem with the reverb?
2) Please elaborate on the "noise" issue. Hiss? Hum? With or without the guitar plugged in? Which knobs affect the noise? Both channels? Etc...etc...etc Very possibly a tube problem. Some basic troubleshooting is in order, which Nate will help you with. Please don't replace all the tubes and expect us to send you an entire new set when, most likely, only one is bad. They are not all bad at the same time.

 

[ramblin390]

if the problem isnt on the clean channel, you might want to take the v2 tube out and swap it with v3, if no change, swap v2 with v4. Or just buy 1 tube and swap em all one by one.
Bruce makes the amp, not the tubes, but I'm sure he'll rectify the problem.

v1 and v2 is clean channel, v1 v3-v4 is od channel.

I have a renegade head and combo that have no hum
http://www.egnateramps.com/download/Ren ... eChart.pdf

 

[mmorse]

I can't speak to your problems other than the reverb. My Renegade head works and sounds great but it does have a reverb problem. I notice that when I push either channel volume up past 12 noon, the reverb has a hashy type decay to it. Almost like it's being overdriven and clipping. If I keep the channel volume at noon or below, it doesn't happen. Or is low enough to not be noticeable. I know it's the reverb because if I turn it off, the noise disappears.

One of my co-workers has a Renegade and has the same issue. He uses an outboard reverb so it's not an issue for him. If I keep the channel volumes below noon, the problem is not really audible. But it does seem to be an issue that Egnater should address.

 

[ramblin390]

I can't speak to your problems other than the reverb. My Renegade head works and sounds great but it does have a reverb problem. I notice that when I push either channel volume up past 12 noon, the reverb has a hashy type decay to it. Almost like it's being overdriven and clipping. If I keep the channel volume at noon or below, it doesn't happen. Or is low enough to not be noticeable. I know it's the reverb because if I turn it off, the noise disappears.

One of my co-workers has a Renegade and has the same issue. He uses an outboard reverb so it's not an issue for him. If I keep the channel volumes below noon, the problem is not really audible. But it does seem to be an issue that Egnater should address.

ditto!

 

[hbucker]

I can't speak to your problems other than the reverb. My Renegade head works and sounds great but it does have a reverb problem. I notice that when I push either channel volume up past 12 noon, the reverb has a hashy type decay to it. Almost like it's being overdriven and clipping. If I keep the channel volume at noon or below, it doesn't happen. Or is low enough to not be noticeable. I know it's the reverb because if I turn it off, the noise disappears.

One of my co-workers has a Renegade and has the same issue. He uses an outboard reverb so it's not an issue for him. If I keep the channel volumes below noon, the problem is not really audible. But it does seem to be an issue that Egnater should address.

I've noticed this problem with mine too. To take it one step further, that happens with my effects loop too. I'm wondering if it's tube realated. Nate told me to swap some preamp tubes and it seemed to improve the reverb issue but not really the loop problem.

Are you running the original tubes? I would be curious to hear if these problems exist for people who have changed out their tubes...

 

[mmorse]

I can't speak to your problems other than the reverb. My Renegade head works and sounds great but it does have a reverb problem. I notice that when I push either channel volume up past 12 noon, the reverb has a hashy type decay to it. Almost like it's being overdriven and clipping. If I keep the channel volume at noon or below, it doesn't happen. Or is low enough to not be noticeable. I know it's the reverb because if I turn it off, the noise disappears.

One of my co-workers has a Renegade and has the same issue. He uses an outboard reverb so it's not an issue for him. If I keep the channel volumes below noon, the problem is not really audible. But it does seem to be an issue that Egnater should address.

I've noticed this problem with mine too. To take it one step further, that happens with my effects loop too. I'm wondering if it's tube realated. Nate told me to swap some preamp tubes and it seemed to improve the reverb issue but not really the loop problem.

Are you running the original tubes? I would be curious to hear if these problems exist for people who have changed out their tubes...

I changed out all the tubes. Both pre and power. Haven't noticed an issue with the effects loop. Haven't really used it much though.

 

[hbucker]

I can't speak to your problems other than the reverb. My Renegade head works and sounds great but it does have a reverb problem. I notice that when I push either channel volume up past 12 noon, the reverb has a hashy type decay to it. Almost like it's being overdriven and clipping. If I keep the channel volume at noon or below, it doesn't happen. Or is low enough to not be noticeable. I know it's the reverb because if I turn it off, the noise disappears.

One of my co-workers has a Renegade and has the same issue. He uses an outboard reverb so it's not an issue for him. If I keep the channel volumes below noon, the problem is not really audible. But it does seem to be an issue that Egnater should address.

I've noticed this problem with mine too. To take it one step further, that happens with my effects loop too. I'm wondering if it's tube realated. Nate told me to swap some preamp tubes and it seemed to improve the reverb issue but not really the loop problem.

Are you running the original tubes? I would be curious to hear if these problems exist for people who have changed out their tubes...

I changed out all the tubes. Both pre and power. Haven't noticed an issue with the effects loop. Haven't really used it much though.

So the reverb issue didn't go away??? That's disappointing to hear.

 

[mmorse]

So the reverb issue didn't go away??? That's disappointing to hear.

I changed out the tubes because I didn't like the way the amp sounded with the stock tubes. Flat, sterile, fizzy. MUCH better with different pre tubes in it. I changed out the power tubes because I have extra tubes but was satisfied with the OEM ones. It was the Sovtek ax7s I didn't like.

I don't think the reverb issue is tube related.

 

[hbucker]

Yeah. I just put good 12ax7's in the amp and the loop is still distorted/mushy and the reverb still has the bad decay as previously discussed.

Looks like it's going back to H.C. This is a disappointment.

Maybe next time.

 

[ramblin390]

my efx loop works fine, I keep the reverb sort of low to keep away from that little frazzle sound it gets, I run the od channel volume under 10'clock

 

[hbucker]

my efx loop works fine, I keep the reverb sort of low to keep away from that little frazzle sound it gets, I run the od channel volume under 10'clock

My reverb frazzles at any volume. Didn't start till last Saturday and now it does it almost without exception. Sounds bad. My loop does the same thing. Run all the effects in the front of the amp and they sound fine. Run the appropriate time effects in the loop and it's muddy and ugly. This too is a sudden occurrence.

I really, really loved the amp up to this point. Without these issues it was magic. The fan was/is noisey but for the most part I was living with it.

 

[ramblin390]

good cables for the loop-too much cable-to much or not enough buffer in the pedals?
Not all my pedals were perfect, but my dd-7 is fine, and my carbon copy is better after a tube change. Boss me 50 a diff. story though-never liked it anyway.

 

[tyrone]

Thanks to everybody who replied. The noise in the amp (head only) got worse over time, and I have some noise anyway because of the wiring in my house. I took it to a guy to look at the tubes and when he opened the amp there was a sticker on the chasis which stated "amp rejected." There were also a bunch of marks on the board from someone trying to do something. He put this information down on his invoice sheet and did nothing to the amp.

I took the amp back to where I purchased it and talked to the manager. This actually was the third Egnater amp that I had issues with (the other 2 were the Rebel 30). Because of the problems with the Rebels is how I ended up with the Renegade. The reason I stuck with Egnater is it does get really solid reviews. I've got a Marshall too, so I wanted to change up.

The store manager took the amp, and gave me an Egnater 212 in exchange. The store was Guitar Center in Columbus, Ohio. I'll give it a plug because I've dealt with the same manager and he has upgraded me each time for no cost.

Like a few others, what I do not like is the reverb. Otherwise, I couldn't be happier.

Thanks again. Now, to clean up the house electrical wiring. Any suggestions on that topic?

Jay

 

[ramblin390]

so, do you still have the frazzle on the reverb at higher levels, I have to keep mine under noon on the clean channel. Love the tone, took me awhile to dial "my" tone in, but once I did, I was able to dial in a bunch of other tones I like or need.