terrible noise beyond hum on renengade

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I've traced the loop problem to my MXR EVH Phase 90. It may be starting to go bad. It's always sounded perfect in the loop but it's now distorting on both of my amps when in the loop. Fair enough. No loop problem with the Renegade.

But today there is no reverb problem either. For the past few days it was just there no matter what I did. Now it isn't there no matter what I do. :confused:

I still have time on my 45 day return window so I'll play with it some more... :doh:
 
As far as the reverb goes, the reverb on the new amp sounds just like the reverb on the bad amp. I'm unable to get any broad billowy reverb at all. I can get a "dab" of reverb only. If I try to use any more reverb, its like the reverb cuts off after the initial "immediate" reverb and and has what I would describe as a "tingy smokey" after taste sound. Not good at all.
 
I was just looking through Rig-Talk, and saw at least one other forum discussion on the Egnater Renegade reverb issue. A question was posed to Egnater around January 22, 2010 about the issue. So far there has been absolutely no reply (if I missed one I apologize). Although I like the amp "sound" of the 212 that I received as an exchange for the "rejected amp," I'm still frustratred with some features on the amp. The reverb need not even be in the amp. And the direct out has not worked correctly either. I'll blame the direct out on my house's wiring. But I can't put the reverb problem there.

Thanks.
 
There was a response from Bruce on that thread but no response when the O.P. answered his questions. This does seem like a fairly common problem. Would be nice to know there was a solution.
 
So mine is doing it some more. Doesn't matter what volume the amp is at.

In addition to the other descriptions as to what it sounds like, I think it sounds a lot like there is a snare drum somewhere in the room where I'm playing the amp. When I hit a chord, the snares on the drum vibrate against the head on this hypothetical drum and make a fizzy sound.

That's the sound coming from my reverb. It makes me want to go across the room and unlatch the snares on the the drum that isn't there.
 
I have some information about the Renegade's reverb. I talked with John Ewing, GM at Egnater today on the telephone. Don't exactly how I would describe the conversation. I may provide a blow by blow later. But I learned today that there is NOTHING WRONG with the reverb in the Renegade. It sounds exactly the way most players want it to sound. Instead, it is just the fact that some of us JUST DON'T APPRECIATE that style or sound of reverb.

So, don't be expecting any revelation from Egnater on how to have good sounding Renegade reverb. It already sounds great. You just don't know it.
 
tyrone":1oze0cc9 said:
I have some information about the Renegade's reverb. I talked with John Ewing, GM at Egnater today on the telephone. Don't exactly how I would describe the conversation. I may provide a blow by blow later. But I learned today that there is NOTHING WRONG with the reverb in the Renegade. It sounds exactly the way most players want it to sound. Instead, it is just the fact that some of us JUST DON'T APPRECIATE that style or sound of reverb.

So, don't be expecting any revelation from Egnater on how to have good sounding Renegade reverb. It already sounds great. You just don't know it.
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Wow... :confused:

If this is correct, they're way off base. When it's working right, it sounds awesome, I'll give them that. But I know "good" and I know "bad". Wish they could come to my house and hear the "bad".
 
I promise my post is 100% correct! Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. John Ewing DID NOT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE REVERB ISSUE!
 
hbucker If this is correct said:
When I had a problem with my Tourmaster (turned out to just be a bad tube) it was making a weird sound. I recorded a clip of it and posted it, which Bruce heard, and we got it resolved.

Can you do that- Make a quick clip of it and post it so people can hear what you are talking about? Maybe you can send it to John or Bruce to straighten this out?

:confused: :rock:
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Sure, I'd be happy to.

I can get it recorded. How/where do I upload it?
 
Right here- Just put it as an attachment. That's what I did. You could also e-mail it to Bruce and others.

Do it as an MP3 or .wav file if you can- That way you will make sure everyone can hear it.

Close mike it so extraneous noises are kept to a minimum.

:rock:
 
If there is a defect in the reverb. we would be happy to address that. If it is a matter or just not liking the "sound/tone" then, I would agree with John that maybe you just don't like that sound. Please clarify if this is what you believe may be a defective unit or a personal preference. Surely a crashing sound like a snare is not normal (hbucker). Recording the sound would be great and really helpful. A lot of players do prefer the sound of a spring reverb, though I've heard many bad sounding ones. If that is the case then maybe that person simply won't like the sound of our reverb. That's OK. I would expect that most players are looking for the tone of the "amp" first and not so much the reverb. If you like, it use. If not, there are knobs to turn it down or off.

If someone could get us a recording of the problems, we will look into it. We have not been able to duplicate what you describe here.
 
bruce egnater":qz8ege1i said:
If there is a defect in the reverb. we would be happy to address that. If it is a matter or just not liking the "sound/tone" then, I would agree with John that maybe you just don't like that sound. Please clarify if this is what you believe may be a defective unit or a personal preference. Surely a crashing sound like a snare is not normal (hbucker). Recording the sound would be great and really helpful. A lot of players do prefer the sound of a spring reverb, though I've heard many bad sounding ones. If that is the case then maybe that person simply won't like the sound of our reverb. That's OK. I would expect that most players are looking for the tone of the "amp" first and not so much the reverb. If you like, it use. If not, there are knobs to turn it down or off.

If someone could get us a recording of the problems, we will look into it. We have not been able to duplicate what you describe here.
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Thanks Bruce. For my situation it is not a matter of taste. In fact, when it's working, I love the sound of your reverb. Period.

I'll try to get an audio clip posted soon.
 
I've discovered a partial solution, at least for my reverb issue. My issue has been the crappy decay (aftertone) after stiking a crisp note. I've been messing with the reverb after my unsavory and condescending conversation with John. (I'd say more but what's the use). What I discovered is that the reverb is useless when you you use the amp in a setting that has the switch on "tight" and has the switch on "normal." The reverb can't be used on a "crisp" note.

Whe the setting has the switches on "deep" and "bright" the notes are not crisp, and the decay is not immediate, but more drawn out. As the manual says, " - - - setting the the switch to DEEP will create a fuller, fatter tone BUT CAN TEND TO GET MUDDY WITH HIGH GAIN SETTINGS - - -." The muddiness must partially cover the nasty "aftertone" of the reverb. The setting at "bright - - - will be less midrangy."

Maybe this can help others at least get some use out of the reverb.
 
I've got an audio clip I can post. I'll post it on its own thread too so it has a better chance of getting noticed.

This is an intermittent problem so I was going to post a clip with featuring the reverb sounding good, then bad. But the file size was too large so this is just the reverb sounding bad. When it's good it sounds great. When it's bad, it sounds like this.


I've turned the reverb on and off so you can hear that the guitar is indeed clean. The frazzled sound is what I've referred to as sounding like there is a snare drum in the room and the snares are rattling with the vibrations from the amp. Clearly, that isn't what is happening, but it's what it sounds like to me.
 

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Tyrone.
Is it possible for you to get us a recording of your reverb problem? You can email or post here. We need to determine if yours has the same issue as hbucker, who did provide a recording.
 
I've had that same problem intermittenly with my renegade, haven't heard since I changed tubes and added a buffered delay in the loop with my carbon copy and put the reverb all the way up to see if I could hear the problem again. Don't know if it was coincidence it stopped, or it will come back. I'm just talking the last 2 weeks this all changed and I've only played a few times in that span, Love the amp though, so its not a deal breaker.
 
ramblin390":p4hne9ce said:
I've had that same problem intermittenly with my renegade, haven't heard since I changed tubes and added a buffered delay in the loop with my carbon copy and put the reverb all the way up to see if I could hear the problem again. Don't know if it was coincidence it stopped, or it will come back. I'm just talking the last 2 weeks this all changed and I've only played a few times in that span, Love the amp though, so its not a deal breaker.
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I've tried different tubes and I've had effects in and out of the loop without it really making a difference. I agree. I love the amp. Would love the reverb to be dependable but it's probably not a deal breaker.
 
Does the intermittent reverb problem seem to be directly related to how high the clean channel volume (not gain) is set? Did you verify that it does go away if you reduce the reverb level or channel volume knob? I know with the reverb level down you may not have enough reverb but it gives me information that will help. FYI, the reverb circuit is in parallel with the loop. Also, the reverb level knobs are send levels rather then the normal return levels. This means where the channel volume knob and/or the reverb level knob affect how much signal is sent to the reverb circuit. I am trying to determine if the reverb circuit is being overloaded at certain settings. Again my Renegadeamp herre does not do it so I am a bit stumped at the moment.
 
bruce egnater":etb7iiho said:
Does the intermittent reverb problem seem to be directly related to how high the clean channel volume (not gain) is set? Did you verify that it does go away if you reduce the reverb level or channel volume knob? I know with the reverb level down you may not have enough reverb but it gives me information that will help. FYI, the reverb circuit is in parallel with the loop. Also, the reverb level knobs are send levels rather then the normal return levels. This means where the channel volume knob and/or the reverb level knob affect how much signal is sent to the reverb circuit. I am trying to determine if the reverb circuit is being overloaded at certain settings. Again my Renegadeamp herre does not do it so I am a bit stumped at the moment.
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Hey Bruce,

I just messed around with the amp a little bit and came the closest I've ever come controlling it. Reducing the reverb level doesn't seem to change the raspy effect. BUT having the clean volume up all the way does seem to have an effect. Also, my Wolfgang (hotter pickups) seems to blow it out more than my LP does unless I really lean into it on the LP.

As you can hear on the sample I uploaded (which was with my Wolfgang) it can still sound clean yet distort the reverb.

All of this said, the reverb is not distorting at all tonight the way it did last night when I recorded the sound clip for you. I really don't have much control of it but it does seem to have something to do with input level. (and perhaps what mood the amp is in...)

Hope this helps.
 
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