the FINAL word on the Kemper

[scottosan]

I strongly agree with all of this

 

[gtr31]

IMO his argument holds no water .How much did Soldano get paid for the Recto and the 5150 ,Cobra

Does Marshall Get Money from Friedman .

This guy strikes me as as many who have $50,000 worth or amps and are bitter that they sound marginally better in a band recording if you are bestowed golden ears

 

[311boogieman]

 

[LP Freak]

Move over

 

[mniel8195]

IMO his argument holds no water .How much did Soldano get paid for the Recto and the 5150 ,Cobra

Does Marshall Get Money from Friedman .

This guy strikes me as as many who have $50,000 worth or amps and are bitter that they sound marginally better in a band recording if you are bestowed golden ears

I think that he have genuine feeling about this topic. Just because people got away with it in the past doesn't make it fine. Everyone probably owes gibson, fender, and marshall a tone of money. In reality they will never see it but it is still an issue. This is coming from someone with an klon clone so im just as bad as everyone else.

 

[dfrattaroli]

He contradicts himself though. How is the Kemper stealing an amp's sound when he constantly repeats how in the end, it doesn't sound the same? And why is it OK for other modellers to just slightly change the name of their version of the amp they're emulating? You can't have it both ways. Final word on the Kemper? I doubt it.

 

[BYTOR]

Who the fuck cares.......tube amps are doomed regardless. They will eventually be relegated to just the very diehard folks. Yes I love tube amps, but I love my AFX & KPA more for everything they do so well.

Just like it was inevitable that a Netflix would come along & destroy Blockbuster............technology can't be stopped, sound can't be patented & profilers/modelers will only go from strength to strength.......

 

[Mailman1971]

I hear he drives a Hybrid.

 

[dfrattaroli]

I do agree though: If you buy an amp just so you can profile it and return it, you're a douche bag.

 

[gtr31]

I think he feels about the subject too .

I just listened again ,everyone will have their own views ,this has been going on a long time . Kemper maybe the most accurate so far but all digital modelling companies have been furthering their product based off
replicating the coveted sounds of boutique tube amps .Kemper is the new guy but Boss has done it ,Digitech has done it .

That said if you deliberately are going and borrowing amps from dealers to profile them on the weekend and then returning them ,Yes i think that is ethically wrong. you are not being honest with the retailer ,you have no intention of purchasing said amp.

The Kemper is doing nothing different really than Ozone or studio tone matching software, It is not listening and magically stealing all the DNA .It very scientific
It can't tell the difference from A recto cobra 5150 .all it does is sort the tones closest to that amp family ,then does gain matching and eq matching to refine .Thats why some amp capture better than other

 

[gtr31]

I do agree though: If you buy an amp just so you can profile it and return it, you're a douche bag.

100% yes thats being an a$$

 

[Mailman1971]

Seems like this is a repeat of when Napster came out. Why buy when it can be gotten free or fraction of the cost?
My opinion weighs on both sides of the fence on this one.
Nothing we can do to stop technology. Just gotta adapt and like mentioned above.....have them pay copyright fees?
But if a Cobra sounds like a Slo...sounds like a 5150....sounds like a recto...
Who gets paid?

 

[Vrad]

He looks like a Bond villain

 

[Mailman1971]

He looks like a Bond villain

Erik Von Buzz Kill

 

[Vrad]

He looks like a Bond villain

Erik Von Buzz Kill

Count Lick My Sack

 

[scottosan]

IMO his argument holds no water .How much did Soldano get paid for the Recto and the 5150 ,Cobra

Does Marshall Get Money from Friedman .

This guy strikes me as as many who have $50,000 worth or amps and are bitter that they sound marginally better in a band recording if you are bestowed golden ears

We aren't talking about being influenced by. We are taking about copying. If you thing a recto or 5150 sounds like a soldano, then I think we are on the opposite sides of the hearing spectrum

 

[scottosan]

Who the fuck cares.......tube amps are doomed regardless. They will eventually be relegated to just the very diehard folks. Yes I love tube amps, but I love my AFX & KPA more for everything they do so well.

Just like it was inevitable that a Netflix would come along & destroy Blockbuster............technology can't be stopped, sound can't be patented & profilers/modelers will only go from strength to strength.......

Tube Amos are tried and true. Name me any modeler and it is antiquated in 5 years without exception. Any tech can service a tube amp while mode let's have to go back to the manufacturer and hope that a propietary part remains available

 

[gtr31]

IMO his argument holds no water .How much did Soldano get paid for the Recto and the 5150 ,Cobra

Does Marshall Get Money from Friedman .

This guy strikes me as as many who have $50,000 worth or amps and are bitter that they sound marginally better in a band recording if you are bestowed golden ears

We aren't talking about being influenced by. We are taking about copying. If you thing a recto or 5150 sounds like a soldano, then I think we are on the opposite sides of the hearing spectrum

It actually was close enough for Mike to attempt to sue Peavey.

Ask any builder they can tell you thats those amps that use a cold clip circuit are more similar than not , The Recto is very close its just a few comment changes and values ,but to get a Recto to sound closer to Soldano not that difficult

 

[Steinmetzify]

Tube Amos are tried and true. Name me any modeler and it is antiquated in 5 years without exception. Any tech can service a tube amp while mode let's have to go back to the manufacturer and hope that a propietary part remains available

The AxeFx II is 5 years old and hardly antiquated. The Kemper is getting close to 5 years and they're both only getting better. I know a lot of guys here that use them and love them, me included. I also know a lot of guys here that have them and don't like them, or had them and sold them on for something else, but they're not antiquated.

As far as the vid goes, I watched it earlier and this guy is full of shit. It comes off as someone who spent a ton of time learning how to mic and get good recorded tones, and now that anyone with a Kemper can do it, he's bent and wants to whine about some kid in a bedroom 'stealing his stuff'.

Also, the argument that it's stealing or whatever is crap too. I DO agree that someone buying an amp just to profile and then return immediately is a douche move, but for guys that own a ton of amps and want their sounds in one box for easy recording or lugging less shit to shows, things like the Kemper or Axe are badass tools, and it's ludicrous to blame anyone for it.

Guys here like Vrad that own a ton of amps and profile them really well and sell the patches are doing a good thing for the community. Where the fuck else can we all own a whole studio full of amps that we can actually use? I don't know about you guys, but I honestly don't have any place I can fire tube amps and get em cooking on a regular basis, but I can light up my Axe or Kemper and do the same thing I'd do with the amps without bothering anyone. I dig that, and don't see anything wrong with it.

The guys that think Kemper owners should be paying these amp companies need to be sending Gibson and PRS and McNaught some cash for their continued efforts in the guitars you already paid for and own, right?

Friedman was mentioned earlier....dude makes badass amps, but they're based on something that someone else invented.....for fuck's sake, it's in an identical headshell! It has a tag on it, but if you took that off, tell me the average person wouldn't think that it was a Marshall. Does he have to send Marshall some $ for every amp he sells? Or would it be more fair to pass that on to the consumer?

Should YOU as the end user have to pay Mike Soldano every time you buy a 5150, or send Marshall some $ every time you buy a Friedman?

To take that even further, there are a ton of guys here that do some sick mixes. Those get done with software. You bought that software, maybe from a store. Do you then have to go back and pay the developer for the software you bought, because they created it, even though you paid retail already, just because?

 

[skoora]

Imagine you're the poor schmo in retail who thought you had a great week selling some high end amps and watch it all go to shit as they all come back. It's bullshit. They should be able to charge a re-stocking fee if it's a multiple offender. Everyone should get the benefit of the doubt when you first return something. Even sales people will push "try at it home with your stuff and return it if it's not for you" but there's a limit.

As far as the technology goes. It will only move forward and we have a whole generation, or maybe two who don't understand the value in something made or created. I bet you have countless musicians who download shit off torrent sites all the time. Movies, games, even software for recording. So when nobody pays for their shit the circle of crapola continues and they sure can't bitch about it. I was just talking about how I'll always want the individual amp and cab in front of me when playing with a salesperson in a guitar store. Could an AxeFX or Kemper be fun and also a great tool for a touring musician, absolutely. Higher level pro's may buy these things purely for logistical and practical purposes but the vast majority of amp sales are to people who are basically making an emotionally charged purchase, not a purely practical one. Tube amps will only die when tubes do.