I don't bash modelers nor disagree with anyone liking them.I don't know what the debate is.They are not tube amps so why are they supposed to be?If you want a ferrari do you buy a volkswagon cause it sounds and drives like a Ferrari? Hmm..I can see the convenience of having one to use in a traveling situation.It's not !!!!!going to be the same as a wall of marshalls it's supposed to do a good job of replacing that,so here we go again..It's not the real thing,it's a replacement so why can't that stay the main focus? If I could by another tube amp head or a modeling amp..I'd buy another tube amp head.I have had modeling rigs,fun to play,it made me want a better tube amp and realized it's world full of choices so I'm digging it..Friedman,Diezel,Marshall,Mesa,Bogner,Landry,Cornford,Fargen,Metroplex, or a lunchbox with lights? Your kidding right?,,