The new Marsha sim is WOW

[garutter]

Don't know which one is real, but I liked #2 better. It just seemed to have a little more happening..clarity or something...

Both are very close, reguardless which is which, it is an impressive simulation.

 

[petethorn]

having played both...the feel is there.

i will say however...it's more of "thing" not having the air moving behind you with a 4x12. there is something different about that that could contribute to the "feel" everyone says. imo.

that is the big difference for me between the axe fx and the "real" amps.

both have their place...and it's opinion and choice that determines which is best in YOUR situtation.

i love amps...and i love my axe fx.

excellent post. I feel the same.

 

[amiller]

I primarily just record. I'm so tired of mic'n cabs trying to find that "sweet" spot...or any good spot. If the Axe-Fx can get a great RECORDED tube sound DIRECT...I'd be all over it!

Watcha think?

 

[fearhk213]

having played both...the feel is there.

i will say however...it's more of "thing" not having the air moving behind you with a 4x12. there is something different about that that could contribute to the "feel" everyone says. imo.

that is the big difference for me between the axe fx and the "real" amps.

both have their place...and it's opinion and choice that determines which is best in YOUR situtation.

i love amps...and i love my axe fx.

excellent post. I feel the same.

Do you all feel the same way when running the Axe through a tube power amp & a 4x12 or are you just talking strictly direct/FRFR scenarios?

 

[petethorn]

having played both...the feel is there.

i will say however...it's more of "thing" not having the air moving behind you with a 4x12. there is something different about that that could contribute to the "feel" everyone says. imo.

that is the big difference for me between the axe fx and the "real" amps.

both have their place...and it's opinion and choice that determines which is best in YOUR situtation.

i love amps...and i love my axe fx.

excellent post. I feel the same.

Do you all feel the same way when running the Axe through a tube power amp & a 4x12 or are you just talking strictly direct/FRFR scenarios?

Actually I haven't done this enough to know. In my big rig I could do this- I have the PT100 preamp and the Egnater M4 pre in loops of my RJM switcher- and I can pick either, and run them into the power section of the PT 100. I can also switch the axe FX in line and if I wanted to i could use an amp model, and not turn on one of the other pres. But I just haven't really experimented with it enough. I have so many options already, with the PT and Egnater...

 

[Audioholic]

so which is which???

spill the beans

 

[ejecta]

The "Axe will never sound as good as a tube amp" guys never show up.

you can listen to a gazillion clips comparing amps and sims that sound almost identical, however, until you actually physically play one through FRFR, direct or a tube or SS poweramp through a real cab can you decide if it's for you or not. It's not all about recorded tone, for me anyway. These clips do sound pretty much exact, Pete's real good at that.

Well said. Alan from Carol Ann amps said a longer version of what I'm about to say and I completely agree.... when it comes to recording amps the Axe vs Tube, the Axe narrows the field to get a good tone a lot by making it much easier for people that don't have access to good recording gear, good acoustic rooms, and engineers etc. But when it comes to Axe vs Tube in the room live feel... the "difference" gap gets wider.

When I had both my Axe's I had a several tube amps ranging fomr plexi's to modern style amps and in person there was quite a noticeable difference in the "in room presence" and "feel" when it came to the Axe vs the Tube counterparts. YMMV

It was posted earlier by Dave and I'd like to hear it as well... the Axe direct vs the Marsha through a cab mic'd right.

That to me would be a better comparison.

 

[sgill72]

having played both...the feel is there.

i will say however...it's more of "thing" not having the air moving behind you with a 4x12. there is something different about that that could contribute to the "feel" everyone says. imo.

that is the big difference for me between the axe fx and the "real" amps.

both have their place...and it's opinion and choice that determines which is best in YOUR situtation.

i love amps...and i love my axe fx.

excellent post. I feel the same.

thanks pete. it's me "edhead" from hri/randall. great minds think alike eh?

 

[mixohoytian]

It was posted earlier by Dave and I'd like to hear it as well... the Axe direct vs the Marsha through a cab mic'd right.

^^^^
This would be a better comparison
I don't record my head set to load with a line out and use fake speakers

but as for the clips they both sound great
1st one sounds way more "perfectly clear" so maybe that's the axe
2nd one sounds more imperfect and a bit squashed (maybe the set to load thing) and that one could be real

 

[sswanson]

Yeah let it ride. But what i would like compared is the Marsha to a real cab miced to the Axe direct.

I just skimmed over Pete's post the first time around so I didn't realize there was no live cab. In that case, I'll have to change my guess to "I have no idea".

I've got to say that I'm really impressed with the axe-fx though, those two clips are extremely close.

 

[amiller]

...
It was posted earlier by Dave and I'd like to hear it as well... the Axe direct vs the Marsha through a cab mic'd right.

That to me would be a better comparison.

Great idea!

 

[Anonymous]

I primarily just record. I'm so tired of mic'n cabs trying to find that "sweet" spot...or any good spot. If the Axe-Fx can get a great RECORDED tube sound DIRECT...I'd be all over it!

Watcha think?

This was Axe direct and all you hear is my guitar:

Jamie's Cryin' Full Mix

I'm sure I could get closer, but this is a stock preset and a $10 redwirez basketweave cab sim... There is absolutely no easier way to get killer recorded guitar tones than the Axe... I have had guitar players tell me that they didn't realize it wasn't the original until I mentioned it...

Steve

 

[SkyhighRocks]

This was Axe direct and all you hear is my guitar:

Jamie's Cryin' Full Mix

I'm sure I could get closer, but this is a stock preset and a $10 redwirez basketweave cab sim... There is absolutely no easier way to get killer recorded guitar tones than the Axe...

Steve

Hey Steve...which cabinet is that? there are a few of the basketweaves...

 

[Anonymous]

It was posted earlier by Dave and I'd like to hear it as well... the Axe direct vs the Marsha through a cab mic'd right.

That to me would be a better comparison.

I don't think any comparison means dick except in the context of a full mix... and I'm quite positive that in that context The Axe would be indistinguishable...

Steve

 

[petethorn]

this is a copy of a post I made on TGP, some guys over there were poo-pooing the idea of loading the amp and using IR's in my Marsha comparo, so I made a quick clip to show what the loaded amp sounds like compared to the same amp mic'd:

Guys just so you can hear what a mic'd greenback sounds like vs. the loaded down amp/red wirez IR:

I did a quick clip. No mystery here- The 1st part is a PT100 proto, into a /13 2-12", mic'd with a 57, where the cap meets the cone about a 1/2inch off the grillecloth. Into an API pre into logic.

2nd part is the same amp sound, into a THD Hotplate set for load, (my Faustine is not here, so I used the THD which is a fixed load ) line out of Hotplate into my Apogee Ensemble, into Logic/Red Wirez IR with a Marshall 1960a and 57 1" off grille at cap edge. These are not gonna sound the same of course- different cab, different room, different pre (the Red Wirez are neve pres I think). And though I dig the Hotplate for what it is I prefer the Faustine.

But you can hear at least the same amp, through a real cab, mic and pre, and then the effect of the load into a IR.

Yes I prefer the real mic situation but I think most will agree the load/IR setup is far from "terrible" as a previous poster stated. It really captures the basic sound really well. And it's something you can use at 2 am. Through headphones. There's no eq here, no tweaking at all- just the raw sounds.

IR's are a viable option for lotsa situations where miking just isn't feasible. I am here to dispel myths!!!! This is my purpose!!

http://music.mp3lizard.com/peterthorn/

click on G12m/57 vs Red Wirez IR

 

[mortega76]

The "Axe will never sound as good as a tube amp" guys never show up.

you can listen to a gazillion clips comparing amps and sims that sound almost identical, however, until you actually physically play one through FRFR, direct or a tube or SS poweramp through a real cab can you decide if it's for you or not. It's not all about recorded tone, for me anyway. These clips do sound pretty much exact, Pete's real good at that.

Well said. Alan from Carol Ann amps said a longer version of what I'm about to say and I completely agree.... when it comes to recording amps the Axe vs Tube, the Axe narrows the field to get a good tone a lot by making it much easier for people that don't have access to good recording gear, good acoustic rooms, and engineers etc. But when it comes to Axe vs Tube in the room live feel... the "difference" gap gets wider.

When I had both my Axe's I had a several tube amps ranging fomr plexi's to modern style amps and in person there was quite a noticeable difference in the "in room presence" and "feel" when it came to the Axe vs the Tube counterparts. YMMV

It was posted earlier by Dave and I'd like to hear it as well... the Axe direct vs the Marsha through a cab mic'd right.

That to me would be a better comparison.

How would that be a better comparison? Technically this is the best way to hear an apples to apples comparison... The oranges to oranges comparison would be to have the Axe-fx into the FX Loop of the Marsha, disable the power amp sim, and use the power amp of the Marsha and mic a cab. Then A/B between the two and record that. The apples to oranges comparison would be what Dave recommended, Marsha mic'd vs Axe-fx direct.

 

[Anonymous]

This was Axe direct and all you hear is my guitar:

Jamie's Cryin' Full Mix

I'm sure I could get closer, but this is a stock preset and a $10 redwirez basketweave cab sim... There is absolutely no easier way to get killer recorded guitar tones than the Axe...

Steve

Hey Steve...which cabinet is that? there are a few of the basketweaves...

'68 Marshall Basketweave • Vintage G12M25s - Shure SM57 straight on cone 0 inches...

Steve

 

[SkyhighRocks]

This was Axe direct and all you hear is my guitar:

Jamie's Cryin' Full Mix

I'm sure I could get closer, but this is a stock preset and a $10 redwirez basketweave cab sim... There is absolutely no easier way to get killer recorded guitar tones than the Axe...

Steve

Hey Steve...which cabinet is that? there are a few of the basketweaves...

'68 Marshall Basketweave • Vintage G12M25s - Shure SM57 straight on cone 0 inches...

Steve

cool...thank you

 

[degenaro]

I primarily just record. I'm so tired of mic'n cabs trying to find that "sweet" spot...or any good spot. If the Axe-Fx can get a great RECORDED tube sound DIRECT...I'd be all over it!

Watcha think?

This was Axe direct and all you hear is my guitar:

Jamie's Cryin' Full Mix

I'm sure I could get closer, but this is a stock preset and a $10 redwirez basketweave cab sim... There is absolutely no easier way to get killer recorded guitar tones than the Axe... I have had guitar players tell me that they didn't realize it wasn't the original until I mentioned it...

Steve

Dude...that clip is awesome!

 

[mortega76]

Shouldn't this thread be under the Modelling/IR forum?