Well it's not that I don't take kindly to it...well maybe a little I guess...because my uncle and brother and many friends are masons...I just think you have no first hand knowledge or experience of them. And in no way do I say that in a disrespectful manner. I just think it's a lot of conspiracy bs. Hell-maybe you're right-I don't know. In my limited experience-It's christian based brother.
It's not christian at all though.
you ever have the first put on you? Petition to join and receive your first and we'll talk .
I don't believe in secret societies and secret oaths.
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| "Lucifer, the Light-bearer ! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! It is he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff Domenico Margiotta 0- 33rd degree Mason has written "Palladism is necessarily a luciferian rite. Its religion is Manichaean neo-gnostism, teaching that the divinity is dual and that lucifer is equal of Adonay, with lucifer the God of Light and Goodness struggling for humanity against Adonay the God of darkness and Evil.. Albert Pike had only specified and unveiled the dogmas of the high grades of all other masonries, for in no matter what rite, The Great architect of the Universe is not the God worshipped by Christians" Extract from 'Masonry - beyond the light' Wm.Schnoebelen former 32nd degree Mason “When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.” ‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree. |
ok-let's stop this bro. I'm not the torch bearer of the masons....really....and I don't feel the need or have the desire to champion their cause...whatever it may be. You win homie....you got me....I don't believe in secret societies and secret oaths.
"Lucifer, the Light-bearer ! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! It is he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"
Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff
Domenico Margiotta 0- 33rd degree Mason has written
"Palladism is necessarily a luciferian rite. Its religion is Manichaean neo-gnostism, teaching that the divinity is dual and that lucifer is equal of Adonay, with lucifer the God of Light and Goodness struggling for humanity against Adonay the God of darkness and Evil.. Albert Pike had only specified and unveiled the dogmas of the high grades of all other masonries, for in no matter what rite, The Great architect of the Universe is not the God worshipped by Christians"
Extract from 'Masonry - beyond the light' Wm.Schnoebelen former 32nd degree Mason
“When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.”
‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree.
I'm not trying to "get you" of all people here. You just seem unaware of what it's all about in the higher ranks. They aren't nice people. They aren't christians. It's not christian at all. The occult is a field of study that has been of interest to me for many years. Greek gods, freemasonry, rosicrucianism, knights templar, demonology, numerology, symbolism, etc. I really doubt your freemasonic buddies even realize it because it is hidden from them. Perhaps it's for the better because what I have only gets more disturbing.
My uncle and brother are very high in the lodge....not sure how it works because I just was not interested in it at the time...plus other reasons. I just personally don't see what your saying...in my experience...and that to me is the key word....experience. But it's all good. I don't feel "got" per se....I just kinda think you have wasted a lot of time on them. Hell who knows in this day and age. Maybe you're right-I don't know. As far as higher ranks and national or world level your 100% correct. I have no idea.
You just like to argue don’t you? He’s a senile old man now. Can’t you tell?
Enough defectors have spilled the beans. I don't know what would change your mind. You aren't a brother so your brother isn't going to tell you the inner workings of the lodge. You're saying I don't have any experience as a mason but I don't need to as other masons have blown the whistle. It's all at your fingertips so there is nothing I have learned about it that is not available for you to cross examine. The quotes I shared from the leading minds of masonry, Pike and Hall, should really be enough to convince you it's not just some benign charitable org who maintains secrecy for fun and games like it's a super secret decoder ring in a box of cereal.
my mind does not need changed. I'm not a member. I just disagree with your opinion of them. I stated you might be right. I don't know. But with my personal real world experience I don't see what your saying. I'm not interested in it enough to research it brother Von. It's a non sequitur to me.
I do like to argue but it's an honest question. I truly don't understand the hate. I don't like most of these guys, Biden, etc. especially. But I dont' get that hysterical hate reaction that you progressive types do ?
NO YOU DON'T
YES I DO. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT DOESN'T LIKE TO ARGUE ?
or maybe what you consider knowledge I consider a conspiracy theory....agree to disagree....I'm not a member and will never be a member. I have friends and family in it and I just don't see what your saying. That's all. You might be right...I don't know. I don't consider what your saying as knowledge. Didn't you say the other day that one of your priests or church fathers say the masons were ok? Refresh my memory....
