The realities of life

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Wow Mike, really sorry to hear. So the Dr. basically said medicate and deal with it? So sorry man...

I hope the Kemper serves you well though!
 
Sucks man! I'm 20 and can't play guitar right now because of a severe back problem too. Hopefully soon but you know how that works haha
 
The gokhale method is all about looking at different cultures that don't slouch, or sit at desks all day, and seeing what their posture, and movements are like since there are many people who work "back breaking jobs" like leaning over, and picking vegetables all day for 10-12 hours, and never have back pain. In most of the developed world what people think is good posture is a s shaped spine, but your spine is load bearing so it naturally should be straight, with the vertebrae stacked so that there is no force pushing disks out. It all makes a lot of sense when you read and try it.

There is also a good video on YouTube of a presentation that she did at google a while back that is a pretty good place to start while waiting for the book.
 
GuitarGuyLP":sgf3ua9i said:
The gokhale method is all about looking at different cultures that don't slouch, or sit at desks all day, and seeing what their posture, and movements are like since there are many people who work "back breaking jobs" like leaning over, and picking vegetables all day for 10-12 hours, and never have back pain. In most of the developed world what people think is good posture is a s shaped spine, but your spine is load bearing so it naturally should be straight, with the vertebrae stacked so that there is no force pushing disks out.
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Uh... that sounds a bit too much like bunk science to me
The whole "other culture which never has X problem" thing sounds way too familiar
Straight spine? Spinal curves are present in the foetus and develop in the first 2 years of life
Ask any biomechanicist and he will explain why a curved spine is mechanically more efficient
 
just went to the doctor today. both my knees are gone(weightlifting) and back is fucked. starting back on celebrex and going to start injections in my knees. also have a referral to a neurosurgeon for my back. sux getting old.
 
Good ol celebrex! Thing is, I see all these guys ballistically lifting and doing stuff like crossfit and I think to myself, man you are gonna be soooo f-cked in a few years. You need to think of what you are doing to your body when you squat 250+ regularly (some dudes squat 3-500 regularly) for example. May not seem like much to some but that is a lot of compression on the spine and not all bodies are built for squatting. I have really long legs, deadlifts were def not good for me. Live and learn! If I could do it all again, I would do mostly body weight training and felxibility work.
 
Business":rhyonudi said:
GuitarGuyLP":rhyonudi said:
The gokhale method is all about looking at different cultures that don't slouch, or sit at desks all day, and seeing what their posture, and movements are like since there are many people who work "back breaking jobs" like leaning over, and picking vegetables all day for 10-12 hours, and never have back pain. In most of the developed world what people think is good posture is a s shaped spine, but your spine is load bearing so it naturally should be straight, with the vertebrae stacked so that there is no force pushing disks out.
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Uh... that sounds a bit too much like bunk science to me
The whole "other culture which never has X problem" thing sounds way too familiar
Straight spine? Spinal curves are present in the foetus and develop in the first 2 years of life
Ask any biomechanicist and he will explain why a curved spine is mechanically more efficient
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It may be more efficient, but that does not mean there is less stress on the joints. There is a really good illustration in the book that shows pictures from medical text books form the early 1900s and today showing what a normal spinal curve should look like, and the modern "normal" curve is a lot more curved than e one from the old text book. And here was a lot less back problems back then.

When society rebelled from the stiff and formal posture from up to the early 1900s people started to lean back, and slouch a lot which rotates the hips and causes the spine to curve. A perfectly aligned spine does have some curve to it, but not a whole lot. The main thing is the pressure on the disk is even front to back. That way everything is locked in and stable.

Another book I am going to check out before I get too far into working out again is "becoming a supple leopard" it is all about correct form, and isolation movements to learn where you have weaknesses that you might use improper form to compensate for, and stress those joints. I have had shoulder problems for about 12 years now from bad bench press form, so hopefully that will help.
 
GuitarGuyLP":1u8j5bpr said:
...The main thing is the pressure on the disk is even front to back. That way everything is locked in and stable...
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Um, locked in and stable due to even disc pressure? What's your degree in and where did you get it?
 
Retired in 1999 from back problems that started around 1995. It never got better. Failed surgery in 2004, which also got me a Staph Infection (8 days in the Hospital, 4 additional surgeries to clean it, home with a Pic Line in my arm for 3 weeks of IV 2X a day)

Pain 24/7 to varying degrees. Will NOT take pain meds.

I developed something called Neuropathy. Nerve BS in my feet. Essentially feet are dead, like a Charlie McCarthy dummy. Balance is shot and walk like I had a few too many. All I take is Lyrica. Anything else I tried, and I tried everything, has really shitty side effects.

So, if I want to sit in, play, etc, I gotta sit on a fucking stool, something I think is not too cool.

Getting old sucks, but I had 3 friends die within a 2 month period. At least I'm still alive. Things can always be worse
 
Man sorry to hear that. Hope you make out alright. Might I also suggest getting a Parker Fly. They just kill and weigh nothing. I love my Les Paul's and until the day dictates that I can no longer play them I will rock that heavy ass piece of glorified wood. But when I jam on my Parker it's like playing an air guitar. It may take a bit more to coax the same sound out of that balsa wood composite with homogenized dimarzio pups but your back will love you for it. Rock on man and the Kemper into the PA is your best option. Trust me your audience doesn't care if it's glowing tubes or SS they just wanna hear you rock.
 
BackCrack":1hk9ja6t said:
GuitarGuyLP":1hk9ja6t said:
...The main thing is the pressure on the disk is even front to back. That way everything is locked in and stable...
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Um, locked in and stable due to even disc pressure? What's your degree in and where did you get it?
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I am just going from what I have read, and has worked for me.

Look at the pic i attached. The spine on the left is from a medical book from 1911, and on the right from 1990. Look at the space between the vertebrae in the lower back, which one do you think is better for the discs when placed under load? I admit that I don't have any education in this, but that book makes a lot of sense, and has helped me, and my wife.

Every night I lay in the stretch position recommended in this book, and at work I try to keep the posture that is recommended, and so far even with doing a lot of hard weight bearing work developing my basement I haven't had any back pain at all!! I would usually have quite a bit from just the flooring never mind the drywall, mudding, framing etc.
 
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GuitarGuyLP":2dgho891 said:
Helps if I get the pic to attach properly
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Well, obviously, that doesn't mean anything
They're illustrations from books
It's like saying Japanese women have much larger eyes and boobs now because that's how they're drawn in Manga.

Of course those pseudo-science books all "make sense", because they target people with no scientific knowledge and make use of basic logic, A + B = C
If people knew the underlying mechanisms of the discussed topic, they'd figure out the vast majority of those books is horseshit, printed out only to make $$
 
Good advice!
guitarmike":1xixeiy4 said:
If you are in good health, don't be stupid. Get help for anything over 30 pounds. Once you damage your back it will never get better, it will only get worse.
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This doesn't really compare to the severity of guitarmike's situation but I spent a whole year visiting a chiropractor 2-3 times a week. When your spine is jacked, it's affects everything.
 
Yeah, and if they put you on hardcore painkillers you won't be thinking very clearly either.
 
Really sorry to hear this. I was injured badly in an accident and had a doctor give me the "we all get old, it's just that it's happening to you at a young age" talk. That is a real eye opener to hear. Avoiding surgery is probably a good idea if possible. I'll recommend something cheap to try. Search on amazon for Life-Flo Pure Magnesium Oil. It comes in a spray bottle. It may not do anything for you, but it worked wonders for my injury! If there is any inflammation involved it really helps.
 
Yeah try messing with your diet too, cut out inflammatory foods.
 
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