Thinking about having a Gutierrez built... Questions

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I'm somewhat considering getting a Gutierrez guitar built and have a few questions for you guys that own them/have played them.

Alright, here we go...

1. I'm considering going with the short scale 24.75 scale, and possibly 27 frets..... I was wondering, just how tiny are these upper frets on a short scale guitar? Are they still playable, or really cramped?

2. Can I still get a humbucker in the neck with 27 frets? Would it be slanted? I've seen a lot of 27 fret guitars with slanted a slanted single coil in the neck...

3. Does Brent do H-S-H guitars? I think I've only seen H-H on his stuff... just wondering, because if I did this, I'd want to go all out, and have a single coil in the middle, but closer to the neck.... primarily for strat-like clean tones.... (because I like to play clean a lot too, and it'd be nice to have an actual single coil there available along with the coil tapping and such)

4. About how long are the build times on these guitars? and do you put down a down payment or what? do they come with a case?

5. If I wanted Bare Knuckle Pickups in mine instead of the EMGs/seymour duncans they usually offer, how much extra would I be paying for exactly? Just the difference?

6. I'm thinking about an all mahogany super strat... but I've heard mahogany necks can be kinda unstable (apparently they warp easily and such)... would it be better to get a maple neck and mahogany wings for the body?

I think that's all for now... might add more questions if I think of any...
 
I'm somewhat considering getting a Gutierrez guitar built and have a few questions for you guys that own them/have played them.

Alright, here we go...

1. I'm considering going with the short scale 24.75 scale, and possibly 27 frets..... I was wondering, just how tiny are these upper frets on a short scale guitar? Are they still playable, or really cramped?

I honestly dont know about the cramping of the frets on that scale length, but I can ask, or maybe someone can chime in.

2. Can I still get a humbucker in the neck with 27 frets? Would it be slanted? I've seen a lot of 27 fret guitars with slanted a slanted single coil in the neck...

That would be entirely up to you and how you want it built. We dont call it a customshop for nothing :D

3. Does Brent do H-S-H guitars? I think I've only seen H-H on his stuff... just wondering, because if I did this, I'd want to go all out, and have a single coil in the middle, but closer to the neck.... primarily for strat-like clean tones.... (because I like to play clean a lot too, and it'd be nice to have an actual single coil there available along with the coil tapping and such)

Like I said before, it's your build, and you pay for what YOU want. :thumbsup:

4. About how long are the build times on these guitars? and do you put down a down payment or what? do they come with a case?

Case is included in the base price, when Brent is taking orders depending on where you fall in line anywhere from a couple weeks to 3 months. and he does 1/2 down, and 1/2 on completion

5. If I wanted Bare Knuckle Pickups in mine instead of the EMGs/seymour duncans they usually offer, how much extra would I be paying for exactly? Just the difference?

We've done one guitar with BK pick-ups, but the customer supplied them, Brent doesnt have an account with them so I would imagine that it would be the same.

6. I'm thinking about an all mahogany super strat... but I've heard mahogany necks can be kinda unstable (apparently they warp easily and such)... would it be better to get a maple neck and mahogany wings for the body?

I dont see a problem with Mahogany necks (look at the les paul), BUT Brent uses carbon fiber stiffening rods in his necks to keep them more stable than just the truss rod. So I wouldnt think it would ever be a problem. But then again it's all preference and what you want.

I think that's all for now... might add more questions if I think of any
 
Juggernaut":1defc said:
2. Can I still get a humbucker in the neck with 27 frets? Would it be slanted? I've seen a lot of 27 fret guitars with slanted a slanted single coil in the neck...

That would be entirely up to you and how you want it built. We dont call it a customshop for nothing :D

3. Does Brent do H-S-H guitars? I think I've only seen H-H on his stuff... just wondering, because if I did this, I'd want to go all out, and have a single coil in the middle, but closer to the neck.... primarily for strat-like clean tones.... (because I like to play clean a lot too, and it'd be nice to have an actual single coil there available along with the coil tapping and such)

Like I said before, it's your build, and you pay for what YOU want. :thumbsup:
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I'm just kinda worried about how it'd work. I don't see many 27 fret guitars... I've only really seen the Caparison Horus models and then the one juggernaut brent made for cobrahead, and both of those are the same.... it's 27 fret with a slanted stack single coil in the neck.... I don't really think I'd want a single coil in the neck, because I like the warm, smooth, bassy lead tone of a humbucker in the neck....

Does it have to be slanted? If so, could a humbucker even work correctly slanted like that? I ask because it seems like the pole pieces would not line up exactly with the strings if it was a humbucker slanted in that same position....

Another question..... well, I know that the further down towards the bridge the neck pickup is positioned, the less warm (more trebley) it's going to sound.... but which scale length would have that neck pickup more bassy/warm sounding? Or does it really affect it much at all? I am just wondering if a short scale like a les paul (which is what the caprison horus is) or a regular 25.5" superstrat scale would have the neck pickup closer to the bridge? Because, I don't really want the neck pickup to be too trebley....


also, I was thinking about having a single coil between the two humbuckers, mainly pretty much just for clean sounds, because I want this guitar to be very versatile.... I want it to play like a shred guitar, but pull off tones anywhere from really jangly poppy clean to full on metal... so I was wanting that single coil.... would there be room between the two humbuckers for it if I had 27 frets and that (possibly) slanted humbucker in the neck?

I might just get 24 frets so I don't have to bother with all of those problems, but I figured it would be cool, and something fairly unique.... I figure if I'm going to get a custom guitar, I might as well make it unique! even if I didn't use the 25-27 frets, it'd give more space for playing up to the 24th, and that alone is cool...

Oh, and if I do decide to go with bare knuckle pickups and I get them myself.... would you deduct a certain amount of money off the total of the guitar, since it already comes with duncans or EMG's and I wouldn't be getting either of those?


Sorry for so many questions. I am just seriously thinking about this now, and I want to see what all I can do and how I could get it set up. I realize he could do whatever I asked, but I want what I ask for to make sense too! haha.

EDIT: oh, and unrelated question... could I get the schaller floyd rose like on the caparison guitars? or does he get a good deal on supply of the original floyd rose and only use those? the schaller I'm talking about is sold by warmoth...they're apparently a little sturdier and warmer sounding due to slight differences in construction.. just wondering
 
The Caparison Horus models are 24.75" scale with 27 frets. The frets aren't really that cramped IMO, no more than any other guitars really. The main benefit to having that many frets is the easy access to frets up to 24.

EDIT: The Duncan Hot Rail sounds very close to a regular humbucker in the neck. Really full and thick sounding with a lot of bass and output.
 
JoshuaLogan":c5254 said:
I'm just kinda worried about how it'd work. I don't see many 27 fret guitars... I've only really seen the Caparison Horus models and then the one juggernaut brent made for cobrahead, and both of those are the same.... it's 27 fret with a slanted stack single coil in the neck.... I don't really think I'd want a single coil in the neck, because I like the warm, smooth, bassy lead tone of a humbucker in the neck....

Have you thought about maybe a JB jr or something similar? just a thought, a humbucker can be put in, but I'm also thinking after looking at a couple guitars with slanted neck hums, that there wouldn't be enough room for the middle pick-up if your really in need of that one as well.

Does it have to be slanted? If so, could a humbucker even work correctly slanted like that? I ask because it seems like the pole pieces would not line up exactly with the strings if it was a humbucker slanted in that same position....

Sure it'll work, there a few guitars out there that have slanted pick-ups either neck or bridge, Kramer Baretta, Hamer Diablo, etc...

Another question..... well, I know that the further down towards the bridge the neck pickup is positioned, the less warm (more trebley) it's going to sound.... but which scale length would have that neck pickup more bassy/warm sounding? Or does it really affect it much at all? I am just wondering if a short scale like a les paul (which is what the caprison horus is) or a regular 25.5" superstrat scale would have the neck pickup closer to the bridge? Because, I don't really want the neck pickup to be too trebley....

Honestly I dont think the space between the bridge and end of the fretboard will be affected, (unless Brent has a technique to do this, I'll ask)

also, I was thinking about having a single coil between the two humbuckers, mainly pretty much just for clean sounds, because I want this guitar to be very versatile.... I want it to play like a shred guitar, but pull off tones anywhere from really jangly poppy clean to full on metal... so I was wanting that single coil.... would there be room between the two humbuckers for it if I had 27 frets and that (possibly) slanted humbucker in the neck?

with the slanted hum in the neck I doubt it would have room, look at this Hamer Diablo it'll give you an idea of how much room, but then again Brent can work wonders and may have a way of extending the scale length at the bridge instead of the neck, like I said, I need to talk to him to be sure on that, I may be completely off base. here's the pic of the Hamer
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and the neck pick-up will possibly have more of a slant, I'm not sure

I might just get 24 frets so I don't have to bother with all of those problems, but I figured it would be cool, and something fairly unique.... I figure if I'm going to get a custom guitar, I might as well make it unique! even if I didn't use the 25-27 frets, it'd give more space for playing up to the 24th, and that alone is cool...

Oh, and if I do decide to go with bare knuckle pickups and I get them myself.... would you deduct a certain amount of money off the total of the guitar, since it already comes with duncans or EMG's and I wouldn't be getting either of those?

Yea he'll discount it for supplying your own pick-ups.


Sorry for so many questions. I am just seriously thinking about this now, and I want to see what all I can do and how I could get it set up. I realize he could do whatever I asked, but I want what I ask for to make sense too! haha.

EDIT: oh, and unrelated question... could I get the schaller floyd rose like on the caparison guitars? or does he get a good deal on supply of the original floyd rose and only use those? the schaller I'm talking about is sold by warmoth...they're apparently a little sturdier and warmer sounding due to slight differences in construction.. just wondering

Yea I think he can do the Schaller, although I know he prefers the OFR, but you guys can work that out in the final details
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Sorry for the late reply, busy with the holidays and all. :D
 
How about this.... could I just get the 27 frets the whole way across the fretboard? as in each string goes to 27 frets... instead of that slanted fretboard... that way the neck humbucker could just be flat across like normal. Is this possible or is there a specific reason why 27 fret guitars have to have that slanted fretboard? I tried to think of a reason, but I couldn't figure out any reason other than for how it looks...

Oh, and if it was like this, I think there might be room for a single coil, since I'd want to have direct mount pickups, and not need pickup rings around them taking up space.... it's possible... not sure if it'd it'd fit, but maybe...
 
JoshuaLogan":74678 said:
How about this.... could I just get the 27 frets the whole way across the fretboard? as in each string goes to 27 frets... instead of that slanted fretboard... that way the neck humbucker could just be flat across like normal. Is this possible or is there a specific reason why 27 fret guitars have to have that slanted fretboard? I tried to think of a reason, but I couldn't figure out any reason other than for how it looks...

Oh, and if it was like this, I think there might be room for a single coil, since I'd want to have direct mount pickups, and not need pickup rings around them taking up space.... it's possible... not sure if it'd it'd fit, but maybe...
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Sure that is entirely possible...... alot easier too. :D
 
Hey again, I am working out the details here of just what I want, but I'm pretty committed to getting this done now... How soon could we start this and about how long do you think it would be? Should I call one of you or what?
 
Brents not taking any orders until after NAMM, but then we'll get ramped up again. He only takes 3 orders at a time, and depending on the orders it only takes "usually" 3 weeks, to 3 months depending on where in line your at. Sometimes even sooner, if it's a relatively easy build.

:D P.M. me and I'll get you my phone number and a time to call. or visa versa.
 
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