this guy is REALLY good

[Anonymous]

kotzen could make that fellow look foolish most likely.

 

[tweed]

what's up with the massive horn on that guitar? He trying to hide his man teets?

 

[mentoneman]

i understand what the guy is saying and my take is this--

he is skilled enough to have the right to rip on petrucci's technique if he feels compelled to do so.

doesn't make it politically nice or right, but i hear what he's saying about just being able to play fast while sacrificing tone for speed sake, or not adhering to the "rules" of legato technique.
and i get the distinct impression he doesn't care about the majority of people that will be turned off by him.
i'm not offended by his viewpoint at all and would love lessons from this guy!

it's the same thing an advanced classical pianist or violinist faces when they don't stick to the very strict rules of the game. they get ripped on by their instructors to the point of anger and humiliation. but if they survive they eventually enter a performance level the majority of players here would never ever reach. perfection.

I don't play classical music, perfection isn't my goal...

I'd rather listen to the Heartbraker solo than this guy...

i use the classical example because at the level of execution this guy is at, his head is probably in that space.
and i am confident he's no more interested in the heartbreaker solo than you are in his trip.

but invite this guy and jimmy page to take turns soloing over more than just a I-IV-V blues and my money is on legato man.

 

[mentoneman]

kotzen could make that fellow look foolish most likely.

kotzen would be the "cooler" showman.

 

[mentoneman]

what's up with the massive horn on that guitar? He trying to hide his man teets?

that was actually the first thing i noticed as well...did the guy turn a table sideways and bolt a neck on?

 

[GtrWiz]

i use the classical example because at the level of execution this guy is at, his head is probably in that space.
and i am confident he's no more interested in the heartbreaker solo than you are in his trip.

but invite this guy and jimmy page to take turns soloing over more than just a I-IV-V blues and my money is on legato man.

OK, Invite this guy and Scott Henderson and my money is on Henderson, who wouldn't conform to the "rules of real legato"...

My whole thing is that there are no "rules" in art.

 

[mentoneman]

i use the classical example because at the level of execution this guy is at, his head is probably in that space.
and i am confident he's no more interested in the heartbreaker solo than you are in his trip.

but invite this guy and jimmy page to take turns soloing over more than just a I-IV-V blues and my money is on legato man.

OK, Invite this guy and Scott Henderson and my money is on Henderson, who wouldn't conform to the "rules of real legato"...

My whole thing is that there are no "rules" in art.

you might be right about the Henderson thing
Thats a much better comparison in any event

But I don't think it's realistic to say all's fair for art's sake.
if you've never heard a player before and thought to yourself "this guy stinks" then you are being neither honest nor practical.

derek bailey is a perfect example.
sure he can play whatever but I have every right to say what he does is ridiculous trash regardless of his fan's opinions.

 

[van hellion]

i think this guy has his technique down! great player!

with that said i laughed so hard when he started calling out rock guys, in particularly John Petrucci. i mean lets be honest love him or hate him JP isnt know for having shit technique.

tell me this isnt "real legato"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxyPrW_iQEE


just my 2 cents

A Wood

 

[70strathead]

i understand what the guy is saying and my take is this--

he is skilled enough to have the right to rip on petrucci's technique if he feels compelled to do so.

doesn't make it politically nice or right, but i hear what he's saying about just being able to play fast while sacrificing tone for speed sake, or not adhering to the "rules" of legato technique.
and i get the distinct impression he doesn't care about the majority of people that will be turned off by him.
i'm not offended by his viewpoint at all and would love lessons from this guy!

it's the same thing an advanced classical pianist or violinist faces when they don't stick to the very strict rules of the game. they get ripped on by their instructors to the point of anger and humiliation. but if they survive they eventually enter a performance level the majority of players here would never ever reach. perfection.

I don't play classical music, perfection isn't my goal...

I'd rather listen to the Heartbraker solo than this guy...

i use the classical example because at the level of execution this guy is at, his head is probably in that space.
and i am confident he's no more interested in the heartbreaker solo than you are in his trip.

but invite this guy and jimmy page to take turns soloing over more than just a I-IV-V blues and my money is on legato man.

he's deep into the classical thing in terms of the perfectionist term of legato and how it relates to connecting of notes. Chopin was in fact a Legato master as well was Beethoven. But Mozart and Bach played mostly staccacto, so it reallly is all about approach vs. this way or the highway. I think petrucci thing was a mock because how JP butchered Chopin's Etude by alternate picking every note and not executing it the proper way. Thats getting a bit too snobby for my taste..


this is probably one of the best examples of how Chopin master legato to flow like a river..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_tbV-mYC4w

 

[GtrWiz]

Yeah, personally I can't stand John Petrucci, but to say or imply that he has poor technique, or that he's not a great player, is pretty ridiculous.

There is a big difference in not liking what somebody does and calling it bad...

 

[70strathead]

Yeah, personally I can't stand John Petrucci, but to say or imply that he has poor technique is pretty ridiculous.

There is a big difference in not liking what somebody does and calling it bad...

Yeah Im a not a fan of Petrucci either. he bugs

 

[Random Hero]

Haha, another Marshall Harrison video. Yeah, to dog on Petrucci seemed a bit odd. Descending legato licks with no pull-offs, only hammers. Interesting... FWIW, that Petrucci clip posted wasn't as far away as Marshall was making it out to be, IMO.

 

[MARK1970]

i use the classical example because at the level of execution this guy is at, his head is probably in that space.
and i am confident he's no more interested in the heartbreaker solo than you are in his trip.

but invite this guy and jimmy page to take turns soloing over more than just a I-IV-V blues and my money is on legato man.

OK, Invite this guy and Scott Henderson and my money is on Henderson, who wouldn't conform to the "rules of real legato"...

My whole thing is that there are no "rules" in art.

I like both these guitarist. I really don't care about the guys attitude. We all know there are many guitarist out there that don't play by the rules.
Speaking of Scott Henderson, I caught him at Tone Merchants. The man is a monter of a guitarist. I was there front row in awe. His tone and his playing were second to none. If you ever get a chance go see him.

 

[rynnce]

Reminds me of the Berklee grad I used to take lessons from. I quit after he told me anyone could play like Buddy Guy.

 

[GtrWiz]

Reminds me of the Berklee grad I used to take lessons from. I quit after he told me anyone could play like Buddy Guy.

We're not all bad! I took harmony courses all the way to the highest level before I realized that there aren't any rules...

But yeah, I knew a guy that said Buddy Guy made a guitar sound like a trombone. Maybe the same guy?!?!

 

[degenaro]

i use the classical example because at the level of execution this guy is at, his head is probably in that space.
and i am confident he's no more interested in the heartbreaker solo than you are in his trip.

but invite this guy and jimmy page to take turns soloing over more than just a I-IV-V blues and my money is on legato man.

OK, Invite this guy and Scott Henderson and my money is on Henderson, who wouldn't conform to the "rules of real legato"...


My whole thing is that there are no "rules" in art.

you might be right about the Henderson thing
Thats a much better comparison in any event

But I don't think it's realistic to say all's fair for art's sake.
if you've never heard a player before and thought to yourself "this guy stinks" then you are being neither honest nor practical.

derek bailey is a perfect example.
sure he can play whatever but I have every right to say what he does is ridiculous trash regardless of his fan's opinions.

Here we go again with "having the right to say..." nonsense. Here's the deal, the guys that usually don't shit where they eat are the ones working. And whether the guys that have to invoke "their right" aren't working by choice is another discussion.
But aside a few guys-Yngwie- comes to mind I can't think of many good players spending all that much energy in bagging other's shit.

 

[degenaro]

Reminds me of the Berklee grad I used to take lessons from. I quit after he told me anyone could play like Buddy Guy.

We're not all bad! I took harmony courses all the way to the highest level before I realized that there aren't any rules...

But yeah, I knew a guy that said Buddy Guy made a guitar sound like a trombone. Maybe the same guy?!?!

Dude, that to me is a hell of a compliment.

 

[Digital Jams]

Can't deny the guys skills, being a total legato hack trying to be more fluid I was damn impressed. Not sure where the JP dig comes from, sour grapes maybe as JOhn is pretty well known and has some killer endorsements.


Maybe with more floor fan blowing and face glitter i would have dug him more Pat

Someone mentioned getting on stage with a simple I-IV-V progression, I would like him up there with his equal in boosting, the fucking fury

 

[Gainzilla]

i use the classical example because at the level of execution this guy is at, his head is probably in that space.
and i am confident he's no more interested in the heartbreaker solo than you are in his trip.

but invite this guy and jimmy page to take turns soloing over more than just a I-IV-V blues and my money is on legato man.

OK, Invite this guy and Scott Henderson and my money is on Henderson, who wouldn't conform to the "rules of real legato"...


My whole thing is that there are no "rules" in art.

you might be right about the Henderson thing
Thats a much better comparison in any event

But I don't think it's realistic to say all's fair for art's sake.
if you've never heard a player before and thought to yourself "this guy stinks" then you are being neither honest nor practical.

derek bailey is a perfect example.
sure he can play whatever but I have every right to say what he does is ridiculous trash regardless of his fan's opinions.

Here we go again with "having the right to say..." nonsense. Here's the deal, the guys that usually don't shit where they eat are the ones working. And whether the guys that have to invoke "their right" aren't working by choice is another discussion.
But aside a few guys-Yngwie- comes to mind I can't think of many good players spending all that much energy in bagging other's shit.

Absolutely true and I dont even think Yngwie has bashed anyone in YEARS...

 

[mentoneman]

if taking a stand to call a spade a spade is controversial, so be it.
derek bailey, to me, is so very very horrible i want to pull my hair out when people defend him, but that's an extreme case.

and remember i'm not begging anyone to agree with me. my intent for this post was to say this guy i found on youtube was a really amazing player imo.