this guy is REALLY good

[metalman]

if taking a stand to call a spade a spade is controversial, so be it.
derek bailey, to me, is so very very horrible i want to pull my hair out when people defend him, but that's an extreme case.

and remember i'm not begging anyone to agree with me. my intent for this post was to say this guy i found on youtube was a really amazing player imo.

The guy is showing strict legato technique, ala Holdsworth. He's using JP as an example of how that is bad legato technique and he's right. If somebody is fanatical about learning proper legato technique, this guy's lesson is right on the money.

Citing some JP solo in that YouTube vid is not proper legato as this guy is showing.

 

[van hellion]

if taking a stand to call a spade a spade is controversial, so be it.
derek bailey, to me, is so very very horrible i want to pull my hair out when people defend him, but that's an extreme case.

and remember i'm not begging anyone to agree with me. my intent for this post was to say this guy i found on youtube was a really amazing player imo.

The guy is showing strict legato technique, ala Holdsworth. He's using JP as an example of how that is bad legato technique and he's right. If somebody is fanatical about learning proper legato technique, this guy's lesson is right on the money.

Citing some JP solo in that YouTube vid is not proper legato as this guy is showing.

wow i guess im crazy because i dont find it so different than marshall. its really not that far away to my ears.

but what do i know im a dumb hillbilly

A Wood

 

[Digital Jams]

if taking a stand to call a spade a spade is controversial, so be it.
derek bailey, to me, is so very very horrible i want to pull my hair out when people defend him, but that's an extreme case.

and remember i'm not begging anyone to agree with me. my intent for this post was to say this guy i found on youtube was a really amazing player imo.

The guy is showing strict legato technique, ala Holdsworth. He's using JP as an example of how that is bad legato technique and he's right. If somebody is fanatical about learning proper legato technique, this guy's lesson is right on the money.

Citing some JP solo in that YouTube vid is not proper legato as this guy is showing.

wow i guess im crazy because i dont find it so different than marshall. its really not that far away to my ears.

but what do i know im a dumb hillbilly

A Wood

a cool hairdew and disease free hillbilly

 

[Random Hero]

if taking a stand to call a spade a spade is controversial, so be it.
derek bailey, to me, is so very very horrible i want to pull my hair out when people defend him, but that's an extreme case.

and remember i'm not begging anyone to agree with me. my intent for this post was to say this guy i found on youtube was a really amazing player imo.

The guy is showing strict legato technique, ala Holdsworth. He's using JP as an example of how that is bad legato technique and he's right. If somebody is fanatical about learning proper legato technique, this guy's lesson is right on the money.

Citing some JP solo in that YouTube vid is not proper legato as this guy is showing.

Honestly, it's not a million miles away is it?

 

[Gainzilla]

if taking a stand to call a spade a spade is controversial, so be it.
derek bailey, to me, is so very very horrible i want to pull my hair out when people defend him, but that's an extreme case.

and remember i'm not begging anyone to agree with me. my intent for this post was to say this guy i found on youtube was a really amazing player imo.

The guy is showing strict legato technique, ala Holdsworth. He's using JP as an example of how that is bad legato technique and he's right. If somebody is fanatical about learning proper legato technique, this guy's lesson is right on the money.

Citing some JP solo in that YouTube vid is not proper legato as this guy is showing.

wow i guess im crazy because i dont find it so different than marshall. its really not that far away to my ears.

but what do i know im a dumb hillbilly

A Wood

Im with you, I see where the guy is coming from but dont hear the biggest difference. To call it wrong or bad is kinda silly IMO...

 

[van hellion]

if taking a stand to call a spade a spade is controversial, so be it.
derek bailey, to me, is so very very horrible i want to pull my hair out when people defend him, but that's an extreme case.

and remember i'm not begging anyone to agree with me. my intent for this post was to say this guy i found on youtube was a really amazing player imo.

The guy is showing strict legato technique, ala Holdsworth. He's using JP as an example of how that is bad legato technique and he's right. If somebody is fanatical about learning proper legato technique, this guy's lesson is right on the money.

Citing some JP solo in that YouTube vid is not proper legato as this guy is showing.

wow i guess im crazy because i dont find it so different than marshall. its really not that far away to my ears.

but what do i know im a dumb hillbilly

A Wood

Im with you, I see where the guy is coming from but dont hear the biggest difference. To call it wrong or bad is kinda silly IMO...

i wonder what this guy would think of guthries legato. technically "wrong" from what i can gather according to this guy, but imo the most badass and original sounding "legato" out there. and yeah i get where hes coming from i just dont see the "massive wrong and right" thing he keeps yelling about.


just my 2 cents

A Wood

 

[degenaro]

if taking a stand to call a spade a spade is controversial, so be it.
derek bailey, to me, is so very very horrible i want to pull my hair out when people defend him, but that's an extreme case.

and remember i'm not begging anyone to agree with me. my intent for this post was to say this guy i found on youtube was a really amazing player imo.

The guy is showing strict legato technique, ala Holdsworth. He's using JP as an example of how that is bad legato technique and he's right. If somebody is fanatical about learning proper legato technique, this guy's lesson is right on the money.

Citing some JP solo in that YouTube vid is not proper legato as this guy is showing.

wow i guess im crazy because i dont find it so different than marshall. its really not that far away to my ears.

but what do i know im a dumb hillbilly

A Wood

Im with you, I see where the guy is coming from but dont hear the biggest difference. To call it wrong or bad is kinda silly IMO...

i wonder what this guy would think of guthries legato. technically "wrong" from what i can gather according to this guy, but imo the most badass and original sounding "legato" out there. and yeah i get where hes coming from i just dont see the "massive wrong and right" thing he keeps yelling about.


just my 2 cents

A Wood

The funny thing is that the Holdsworth approach of hammering everything is because it soudns different than pulling off in descending lines, Garsed got it from Holdsy, Harrison from Garsed. Shit, Garsed already had that internalised when i took lessons from him 20 years ago. But I don't see where making a choice i how you get from point a to point b all of a sudden becomes more or less of what is "correct".
By that reasoning...not picking every note in strict alternate fashion is just as "incorrect" as using the "wrong" legato technique. Wanna argue that with Holdsworth or Gambale?

 

[degenaro]

if taking a stand to call a spade a spade is controversial, so be it.
derek bailey, to me, is so very very horrible i want to pull my hair out when people defend him, but that's an extreme case.

and remember i'm not begging anyone to agree with me. my intent for this post was to say this guy i found on youtube was a really amazing player imo.

I wasn't referring to your Bailey comment but rather to your reference of Harrison's right to comment...
Ya think Garsed would comment like that publicly?
It has nothing, zero, zilch to do with back bone and or standin up to call a spade a spade...which in itself is a fucked up term. But rather that a working guy like Garsed doesn't go shit on another working guy. That's bad form, how many of us tell our wifes "that dress makes them look fat"? Yeah, it might...but is it worth the headache that comment will bring. that's all...

 

[mentoneman]

if taking a stand to call a spade a spade is controversial, so be it.
derek bailey, to me, is so very very horrible i want to pull my hair out when people defend him, but that's an extreme case.

and remember i'm not begging anyone to agree with me. my intent for this post was to say this guy i found on youtube was a really amazing player imo.

The guy is showing strict legato technique, ala Holdsworth. He's using JP as an example of how that is bad legato technique and he's right. If somebody is fanatical about learning proper legato technique, this guy's lesson is right on the money.

Citing some JP solo in that YouTube vid is not proper legato as this guy is showing.

wow i guess im crazy because i dont find it so different than marshall. its really not that far away to my ears.

but what do i know im a dumb hillbilly

A Wood

you aren't crazy..you're a fantastic player, and you're right--it's sorta splitting hairs in one respect, yet to him it's an insurmountable chasm that most are incapable of recognizing. and marshall indeed seems to have it out against the petruccis of the world. classic jazzer versus rocker feud.

i feel it every time i take the stage with some of the monster jazz and classical guys i play with. i have a decent moment and it's a vibe like "hey that wasn't half bad...pity you aren't *really* one of us though."
honestly, i'll take the crumbs of compliments from these giants and run happily!

marshall just seems like he worshipped at the holdsworthian temple for many moons and took every jot and tittle allan dished out in interviews and instructional videos as gospel.
most of what he speaks about in this vid is verbatim what allan has said before, even down to some of the sentiments about shred players today. it's just that allan is more PC about it.

holdsworth heavily influenced a fleet of monsters from johnson to henderson to keaggy to vh...and it got downright scary how much bill connors (chick corea/hymn of the 7th galaxy) transformed himself into holdsworth on the "step it" album...that's one that irked allan quite a bit. but i suppose you have to be a bit obsessed to delve into learning holdsworth because he is so unique and SO amazing.

 

[* velcro-fly *]

Random....

 

[Digital Jams]

if taking a stand to call a spade a spade is controversial, so be it.
derek bailey, to me, is so very very horrible i want to pull my hair out when people defend him, but that's an extreme case.

and remember i'm not begging anyone to agree with me. my intent for this post was to say this guy i found on youtube was a really amazing player imo.

The guy is showing strict legato technique, ala Holdsworth. He's using JP as an example of how that is bad legato technique and he's right. If somebody is fanatical about learning proper legato technique, this guy's lesson is right on the money.

Citing some JP solo in that YouTube vid is not proper legato as this guy is showing.

wow i guess im crazy because i dont find it so different than marshall. its really not that far away to my ears.

but what do i know im a dumb hillbilly

A Wood

i feel it every time i take the stage with some of the monster jazz and classical guys i play with. i have a decent moment and it's a vibe like "hey that wasn't half bad...pity you aren't *really* one of us though."
honestly, i'll take the crumbs of compliments from these giants and run happily!

.

Oh man screw that shit Pat, now this sounds like those 6-8 old puffy faced fat asshats that seem to run TGP and it is not very becoming. I understand where you are coming from but you have chops that do not need any ass patting from some stuck up snob.

Sorry Pat, I understand where you are coming from but your better than that.

 

[van hellion]

marshall CAN PLAY HIS ASS OFF! but hey so can a shit ton of players im sure he doesnt like. i never enjoy these types of things that marshall talks about. the whole one is "better" just doesnt carry much weight in my book. i mean is chet atkins "better" than holdsworth? its so different.

i am in the few here that also enjoy the shit out of dream theater, great riffage and leads but its not better or worse than guns n roses in my book. i guess thats why my style is very mutated from all of the things i like. it seems that most musicians can be sub divided into 2 types. guys that like everything and guys who dont like much of anything
its very common especially with more advanced players that they turn into "i dont like this or that" type of personality where everything they listen to gets dissected. i mean i would hate to see what some of these guys think about the music i like, i have a feeling they would bash bands like Stone Temple Pilots, or the Hellecasters for "not being up to par on technique A/B"

i just think music and playing is in 2 categories: suck and doesnt suck

A Wood

 

[Digital Jams]

if taking a stand to call a spade a spade is controversial, so be it.
derek bailey, to me, is so very very horrible i want to pull my hair out when people defend him, but that's an extreme case.

and remember i'm not begging anyone to agree with me. my intent for this post was to say this guy i found on youtube was a really amazing player imo.

The guy is showing strict legato technique, ala Holdsworth. He's using JP as an example of how that is bad legato technique and he's right. If somebody is fanatical about learning proper legato technique, this guy's lesson is right on the money.

Citing some JP solo in that YouTube vid is not proper legato as this guy is showing.

wow i guess im crazy because i dont find it so different than marshall. its really not that far away to my ears.

but what do i know im a dumb hillbilly

A Wood

i feel it every time i take the stage with some of the monster jazz and classical guys i play with. i have a decent moment and it's a vibe like "hey that wasn't half bad...pity you aren't *really* one of us though."
honestly, i'll take the crumbs of compliments from these giants and run happily!

.

Oh man screw that shit Pat, now this sounds like those 6-8 old puffy faced fat asshats that seem to run TGP and it is not very becoming. I understand where you are coming from but you have chops that do not need any ass patting from some stuck up snob.

Sorry Pat, I understand where you are coming from but your better than that.

oY.......that does not read right.

All I am saying Pat is that someone like you does not need a pat on the ass from some stiff lipped jazz only cat to justify your playing, you are the only one that can bring inner satisfaction to yourself.

 

[Lord Toneking]

Some guys are tone snobs, some are legato snobs


you'll have that I guess

 

[Anonymous]

Random....

I didn't enjoy that one bit, however, I cannot deny that technique-wise it was amazing. I'd much rather listen to Dream Theater... Hey whaddaya know... subjective personal preference!

Steve

 

[bds9487]

Personally, I'd rather listen to virtually any David Gilmour solo then most, but not all, legato solos.

 

[* velcro-fly *]

Random....

I didn't enjoy that one bit, however, I cannot deny that technique-wise it was amazing. I'd much rather listen to Dream Theater... Hey whaddaya know... subjective personal preference!

Steve

That was my point

 

[mentoneman]

i just think music and playing is in 2 categories: suck and doesnt suck

A Wood

agree.
petrucci doesn't stink but i don't love him. pull me under. that's petrucci to me. period.

holdsworth i admire as one of the top 3 players on earth. but i can only listen to one or two songs once or twice a month and that's plenty. and maybe a concert a year.

guthrie's another top 3 guy. don't care for his cd too much. LOVE him live and could see a show a week and not get bored.

landau is the final top 3 guy. love his recorded stuff. LOVE him live and can never get enough of his live tones.

my top 3 are true improvisors and totally unique. they don't recycle licks, they just issue music and melodies in their own unique ways.

i'll put gambale in at 4th. shawn lane/danny gatton are right there, posthumously.

 

[mentoneman]

i feel it every time i take the stage with some of the monster jazz and classical guys i play with. i have a decent moment and it's a vibe like "hey that wasn't half bad...pity you aren't *really* one of us though."
honestly, i'll take the crumbs of compliments from these giants and run happily!

.

Oh man screw that shit Pat, now this sounds like those 6-8 old puffy faced fat asshats that seem to run TGP and it is not very becoming. I understand where you are coming from but you have chops that do not need any ass patting from some stuck up snob.

Sorry Pat, I understand where you are coming from but your better than that.[/quote]

oY.......that does not read right.

All I am saying Pat is that someone like you does not need a pat on the ass from some stiff lipped jazz only cat to justify your playing, you are the only one that can bring inner satisfaction to yourself.[/quote]


honestly bro, thanks for the backup, but truly i don't mind being judged because these guys are really THAT good. i love them, and so admire what they do, and they are very cool to me on the whole. not real harshness or pompousness that is meant for harm or intentional--mostly encouraging words--but i feel like a naked filipino boy dodging a covey of snapping pteridactyls when asked to solo in front of them! ie, nervous.
i'm definitely a simon cowell kinda guy anyways...so i'm perfectly ok with dying by the sword i live by.

i see it this way--imagine spending your entire life committed to excellence in music on your instrument and the circles you travel in are 95% musical college majors, conservatory students, instrumental masters and legends-

running into someone like me who outside of playing primarily for pure enjoyment for the past 26 years is just a weekend warrior blues rock guy with a taste for extreme guitar playing. (ok i started getting "serious" about gear and tone when i bought my alesis quad GT new from west la music in 1990 ) but i'm not about to pretend i can step into the ring they can casually frolic in...sight-reading mozart violin/piano concertos, blowing through pat metheny tunes, hanging with karizma at the potato bashing odd time signatures...

tap out!

 

[mentoneman]

Random....

I didn't enjoy that one bit, however, I cannot deny that technique-wise it was amazing. I'd much rather listen to Dream Theater... Hey whaddaya know... subjective personal preference!

Steve

i didn't like that either, and i too would rather listen to dream theater than that!
although he does have some shawn lane/holdsworth moments here and there.
it's just the glue he is using is not working