This is what burns my ass in regards to the axe-fx zealots.

[JamesPeters]

So you're calling me your "boyfriend" now, instead of your "bitch?" Awwww man. I think I'm blushing.

I LOVE YOU JAMES!

That's just creepy.

 

[Gainzilla]

I think the next step of this Axe-FX would be modeling classic guitar tones. Imagine if it were packed with BOG, Allman Bros-Fillmore, Mountain, Humble Pie, Led Zep, etc, etc.

I still think its an interesting recording tool, based off what Ive heard so far.

I actually don't think this is a good idea. Patches set up to sound great in one setup would sound like poo in another.

Very true but at the same time, that holds true to almost anything. Its all in the unit, just put the pieces together and tweak to taste. What's the difference if Cliff puts in "artist" patches Vs the end user doing it himself? It just comes down to knowing whats involved in the particualr tone that youre looking for, again, like with anything else...

 

[JamesPeters]

Ha ha... Sorry.

There's always "another level down" in situations like these. You sir happened to have found a level beneath which I'm just not willing to go. Hats off.

 

[Copperhead]

The breakfast of most touring professionals:

 

[Anonymous]

I miss my:

I agree. I loved mine. When I got out of trying to make it in music I didn't play much guitar for a couple years (mainly disappointment in not being able to make it as a professional musician), but I loved it so much I eventually started picking up the one guitar I had left on a daily basis again. That Zoom was the first piece of gear I bought after that. I had it hooked up to my stereo system and that was my "amp" for several years before I decided I wanted to get into recording again. Cool little device - sounded ok...

Steve

 

[badger71]

When I got out of trying to make it in music I didn't play much guitar for a couple years (mainly disappointment in not being able to make it as a professional musician), but I loved it so much I eventually started picking up the one guitar I had left on a daily basis again.
Steve

Wow.....a mirror reflection of what a brief period of my life (approx. 7 years) was like. I wonder how many others on this board, or others, were of similar circumstance? I had a little solid state Fender amp and a Steinberger that I had kept around...the rest....gone.

 

[Anonymous]

When I got out of trying to make it in music I didn't play much guitar for a couple years (mainly disappointment in not being able to make it as a professional musician), but I loved it so much I eventually started picking up the one guitar I had left on a daily basis again.
Steve

Wow.....a mirror reflection of what a brief period of my life (approx. 7 years) was like. I wonder how many others on this board, or others, were of similar circumstance? I had a little solid state Fender amp and a Steinberger that I had kept around...the rest....gone.

I betcha a lot of folks around here had similar experiences...

Steve

 

[bulb]

i figured i would give my $.02 on this since i have been an avid pod user for the last 4 years and recently got an ultra.
yeah the ultra destroys the pod in every way possible, but with that price difference it damn well better!
to think that you can get tones that can fool 9/10 people into thinking you miced an expensive amp with a 300 dollar unit pretty damn cool if you ask me, but comparing the two especially to slight one seems pointless.
yes the mercedes s-class is better than a honda civic in pretty much every way, but that doesnt mean the honda civic isnt amazing, especially for the price, and what with gas these days...wait what am i talking about again?

 

[ratter]

I miss my:

I agree. I loved mine. When I got out of trying to make it in music I didn't play much guitar for a couple years (mainly disappointment in not being able to make it as a professional musician), but I loved it so much I eventually started picking up the one guitar I had left on a daily basis again. That Zoom was the first piece of gear I bought after that. I had it hooked up to my stereo system and that was my "amp" for several years before I decided I wanted to get into recording again. Cool little device - sounded ok...

Steve

Yeah, I wasn't kidding about missing mine. Maybe not because it was anything special, but because back then I was glad to have something to play my Kramer Striker through and didn't give two shits about brands of strings or boutique amps or anything else.

And IIRC, that first Zoom box was around $400 and a new Intellifex ran ~$800...to think of what you can get for that money nowadays...wow...

 

[Mikko Vainiala]

I think the next step of this Axe-FX would be modeling classic guitar tones. Imagine if it were packed with BOG, Allman Bros-Fillmore, Mountain, Humble Pie, Led Zep, etc, etc.

I still think its an interesting recording tool, based off what Ive heard so far.

I actually don't think this is a good idea. Patches set up to sound great in one setup would sound like poo in another.

It's about a time commercial modellers start sounding realistic compared to amps what's been said modelled in them. Everybody since SimulAnalog freeware has known it's possible and the technology is there. So that's a good thing for us and recorded music in generally.

What comes to a re-creating those classic "recorded tones" I think that its not in there yet (at least in a single unit). If it would be easy to tweak that kinda stuff out already now, we would certainly hear those tones posted here everyday. Guess it still needs more play, creativity, sleep, joy and pancakes. Does it need some new stuff techwise too and/or some parts of things like studio-magic to be modelled first? Me thinks, most definitely.

And, imo, it's not question at all about the good vs. bad idea - like if getting those classic tones would be desirable or not to some people (...it's a crying lie: of course they are desirable! Many of those classic tones sounds also good as such and sit well in many mixes, btw). Where lurks that Steven Slate of amp modelling? Its way easier in the drum world, eh?

I believe that a modeller which can model those classic recorded tones could then model better just about everything...and thus serving better both bed room recorders and touring pro musicians needs, hehe. Oh this lazy luxury life without the sweet smell of warming tube amps and the tolex and the bear, sweat and tears carrying and road tripping them. The modellers are build for your overall healthy (a government conspiracy theory behind all this?) Every musician must be a good citizen and productive biz-man also...wait, I can't imagine a heroine addictive punk rocker walking streets with the axe?

And I just might be so wrong with all of this, lol!

My 2 cents,
Mikko

 

[Chubtone]

I know exactly where Scott is coming from here with his original post. I sometimes get this mentality where I have to have this bitchin' new boutique pedal or a "vintage" this or that...... then I see Nuno live on tour and the guy is playing a "lowly" Boss GT-8.

90% of the gear forum guys would avoid using a Boss GT-8 at all costs, like we would get a rash just from touching it with the bottom of our shoes. My initial reaction is "why is he playing that piece of crap" then I gain some perspective because his tone is killer and he is a monster player. Then I see a Ronni Le Tekro video where he is discussing his gear and the guy still just uses a Boss OD-1, a Boss BF-2 and a Boss CE-2. And here I am getting ready to buy a $300 boutique chorus pedal and a $300 boutique flanger. HELLO? I dream of one day having tone as good as Ronni's.

I'm not saying the Axe FX doesn't kill the Pod XT. I'm just saying that it's an eye opener when you start (me included) suggesting that a piece of gear is somehow "beneath" you or your current gear and then some guy totally kicks your ass playing wise on a piece of gear that you look down upon. It's happened to me too many times.

 

[JamesPeters]

I know exactly where Scott is coming from here with his original post. I sometimes get this mentality where I have to have this bitchin' new boutique pedal or a "vintage" this or that...... then I see Nuno live on tour and the guy is playing a "lowly" Boss GT-8.

90% of the gear forum guys would avoid using a Boss GT-8 at all costs, like we would get a rash just from touching it with the bottom of our shoes. My initial reaction is "why is he playing that piece of crap" then I gain some perspective because his tone is killer and he is a monster player. Then I see a Ronni Le Tekro video where he is discussing his gear and the guy still just uses a Boss OD-1, a Boss BF-2 and a Boss CE-2. And here I am getting ready to buy a $300 boutique chorus pedal and a $300 boutique flanger. HELLO? I dream of one day having tone as good as Ronni's.

I'm not saying the Axe FX doesn't kill the Pod XT. I'm just saying that it's an eye opener when you start (me included) suggesting that a piece of gear is somehow "beneath" you or your current gear and then some guy totally kicks your ass playing wise on a piece of gear that you look down upon. It's happened to me too many times.

Yeah joking aside, whatever works for the player in a professional setting is what's considered "professional" for that professional player. It doesn't matter what it cost or what name is on it, as long as the player thinks it suits the task.

Satriani played with Mountain here a couple weeks ago. Satch used his JSX on the clean channel all night (the green LED was active on all three of his JSX amps the whole time) with the Boss OD pedal for his distortion (periodically getting fizz from the "Satchurator" pedal), a setup I'd be reluctant to use. Mountain's Budda amp stack sounded to be more along the lines of what I'd have preferred to use, but Satch's rig worked fine for his playing and the mix. He loves that pedal into a clean channel...so be it. A friend and I discussed this a couple times that evening and I had to keep going back to the old "look man, whatever works for him works for him" thing. I don't feel cheated for not hearing him use the Budda amps or something.

I also wasn't a huge fan of Stu Hamm's Hartke bass rig. But whatever works for him...and I gotta admire a man who has the balls to play with a rig like that since it's so up-front and ploinky...

 

[degenaro]

I know exactly where Scott is coming from here with his original post. I sometimes get this mentality where I have to have this bitchin' new boutique pedal or a "vintage" this or that...... then I see Nuno live on tour and the guy is playing a "lowly" Boss GT-8.

90% of the gear forum guys would avoid using a Boss GT-8 at all costs, like we would get a rash just from touching it with the bottom of our shoes. My initial reaction is "why is he playing that piece of crap" then I gain some perspective because his tone is killer and he is a monster player. Then I see a Ronni Le Tekro video where he is discussing his gear and the guy still just uses a Boss OD-1, a Boss BF-2 and a Boss CE-2. And here I am getting ready to buy a $300 boutique chorus pedal and a $300 boutique flanger. HELLO? I dream of one day having tone as good as Ronni's.

I'm not saying the Axe FX doesn't kill the Pod XT. I'm just saying that it's an eye opener when you start (me included) suggesting that a piece of gear is somehow "beneath" you or your current gear and then some guy totally kicks your ass playing wise on a piece of gear that you look down upon. It's happened to me too many times.

Yeah joking aside, whatever works for the player in a professional setting is what's considered "professional" for that professional player. It doesn't matter what it cost or what name is on it, as long as the player thinks it suits the task.

Satriani played with Mountain here a couple weeks ago. Satch used his JSX on the clean channel all night (the green LED was active on all three of his JSX amps the whole time) with the Boss OD pedal for his distortion (periodically getting fizz from the "Satchurator" pedal), a setup I'd be reluctant to use. Mountain's Budda amp stack sounded to be more along the lines of what I'd have preferred to use, but Satch's rig worked fine for his playing and the mix. He loves that pedal into a clean channel...so be it. A friend and I discussed this a couple times that evening and I had to keep going back to the old "look man, whatever works for him works for him" thing. I don't feel cheated for not hearing him use the Budda amps or something.

I also wasn't a huge fan of Stu Hamm's Hartke bass rig. But whatever works for him...and I gotta admire a man who has the balls to play with a rig like that since it's so up-front and ploinky...

Hey...said it a million times, it's the pilot not the plane.

 

[Chubtone]

Hey...said it a million times, it's the pilot not the plane.

Says the owner of some of the nicest "planes" around.

Come on Ed..... sell me that $200 JMP. I'll give you $300 for it.

 

[digwhisper]

I always get shit the other direction. Since I first got my Axe Fx I've been telling people how cool it is. I haven't tried to sell anyone on it, I just share my experience. Hell, I just about got run out of town on the Vetta forum I used to post at. People acted so threatened by it.

I keep hearing the same old bullshit from people about how it's an overpriced POD or how it will never replace a tube amp and all that shit.

 

[degenaro]

Hey...said it a million times, it's the pilot not the plane.

Says the owner of some of the nicest "planes" around.

Come on Ed..... sell me that $200 JMP. I'll give you $300 for it.

Hey, I got some crap planes as well...one of my go to guitards is my Taiwanese Stern Tele, and my go to bucker guitar for slide is an Agile.
But yeah, I can't complain about gear sheet between me and Dave Simpson who plays in my band I think we have just about 100 guitars and 40 amps.

BUT!!!!!! I go a damn day gig, when I didn't have a day gig I owned one amp and like 3-4 guitars. Since the endorsement stuff I used to get for free back in the day was usd o substitute income like every one else.
Hey leave my 200 dollar JMP alone.

Plus I'm shite pilot...so there, I got to have the nice plane.

 

[ejecta]

how it will never replace a tube amp and all that shit.

IMHO its not "shit"..... its a fact that the Axe will by no means replace tube amps. Maybe sometime in the future when computers get fast enough to truly capture everything about a tube amp.... maybe just maybe then the digital thing might really become more the norm than tubes but who can say Fractal will be around then. That said even at that time I sure tube amps will still be cool to some players.

 

[noseminer]

Its prolly been said in here but, some people just need to reassure themselves when they drop a lot of money on a piece of gear - and they do that by putting down other equipment that they considered when they bought the piece of gear they got. Its the main reason why the equipment reviews are so biased towards 10s on HCAF.

 

[ejecta]

Its prolly been said in here but, some people just need to reassure themselves when they drop a lot of money on a piece of gear - and they do that by putting down other equipment that they considered when they bought the piece of gear they got. Its the main reason why the equipment reviews are so biased towards 10s on HCAF.

Alot of truth there.

 

[degenaro]

how it will never replace a tube amp and all that shit.

IMHO its not "shit"..... its a fact that the Axe will by no means replace tube amps. Maybe sometime in the future when computers get fast enough to truly capture everything about a tube amp.... maybe just maybe then the digital thing might really be come more the norm than tubes but who can say Fractal will be around then. That said even at that time I sure tube amps will still be cool to some players.

Tube amps will likely never go away. NEVER! It's really simple I dig the Axe, I actually do think that it can do what my amps do. And I sell amps for a living, I'm so not threatened . Also, guitar players as a whole are conservative enough that no matter what... the acceptance of anything that isn't based on what their fave bands from decades past used isn't happening.
But lets see what happenes in a few decades when th guitar has gone the way of the saxophone.