Thomann Sues Fender on Behalf of "Everyone"

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BABMusic said:
I just don't like this idea of being able to own a shape of something. Logo? Yes. But shape? That's sort of like saying I can copyright a mug for my tea. Most other musical instruments do not have this issue of being able to control a shape. The other argument though is that the Strat shape has been the most popular (aside from the LP). Still, maybe they should work out a legal requirement where Strat copies would send 1% of the profit for each guitar to Fender? I don't know. I'll still continue to buy Strat copies.
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Right. There's so many shapes that had a first realization, with many following the formula. It'd be like saying whomever invented the guitar pick shape should have a copyright on that shape lol
 
IndyWS6 said:
Ooh, ooh, more “projections” from the forum’s leading self-important, prognosticator.

Fookin Hilarious 😄
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More BS from some jackass who always opposes my viewpoints and is wrong over and over and over again.....


And has a record in being wrong as much or more so than I am being right ahead of the "experts " 😂
 
The~Kid said:
More BS from some jackass who always opposes my viewpoints and is wrong over and over and over again.....


And has a record in being wrong as much or more so than I am being right ahead of the "experts " 😂
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😀. I don’t set out to oppose your viewpoints, it’s just that they’re so dumb, I’m compelled to point it out. Others seem to feel the same 🤷

P.S. I generally don’t make definitive claims so what, exactly, have I been wrong about? By your account there’s much to choose from. Shouldn’t be hard to find specific examples, right?
 
IndyWS6 said:
😀. I don’t set out to oppose your viewpoints, it’s just that they’re so dumb, I’m compelled to point it out. Others seem to feel the same 🤷

P.S. I generally don’t make definitive claims so what, exactly, have I been wrong about? By your account there’s much to choose from. Shouldn’t be hard to find specific examples, right?
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Sure buddy as your losing and failing record against whatever I have to say has proved itself wrong over and over and over again.....


Fuck off :yes:
 
The~Kid said:
Fender will win..... Or better put they won't lose..... Which is still a win....


And they will come out on top.



And this is likely to be handled in a settlement where companies would be forced to alter and make slight tweaks to the body shape of a generic 6 point S-Type 1:1 shapes.


There is a higher probability/likelihood of this happening than whatever other nonsense others are talking about.
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Absolutely incorrect. Like I said, put your money where your mouth is. Let's bet. $500 says they lose.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Absolutely incorrect. Like I said, put your money where your mouth is. Let's bet. $500 says they lose.
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Well put your money and your mouth against mine and bet your future over whatever I have to say.....


What a FuckTard much like everyone else who takes the "experts" side vs mine 😂
 
What a bunch of shameless.....


Indecent.....


Indignent....


Disgraceful.....


Disgusting.......



Garbage/Trash Twats am I right, you know who you are :dunno:
 
cragginshred said:
Um Leo Fender made the product and he sold looooong ago!
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Thank You, Captain Obvious. (Or: How to Write Awesome Intros)




so? where did I say he didn't?

Leo still created / invented these original designs. When he sold his Fender company, he sold the rights to his Fender creations and designs.
 
Metalhex said:
Right. There's so many shapes that had a first realization, with many following the formula. It'd be like saying whomever invented the guitar pick shape should have a copyright on that shape lol
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Americans and an American company will come out on top in the end here like Fender......



Vs whatever other BS from those who say otherwise and that support foreigners and foreign interest and are against an American Company like Fender and America.....


You heard it here first on Rig-Talk.....



Ahead of the "experts" and geniuses against my argument and Fenders and those who disagree can come back and suck it when it is all set and done and settled in general and I am proved right yet again ahead of the "experts"/geniuses who care to opposes my argument *_*
 
The~Kid said:
Americans and an American company will come out on top in the end here like Fender......



Vs whatever other BS from those who say otherwise and that support foreigners and foreign interest and are against an American Company like Fender and America.....


You heard it here first on Rig-Talk.....



Ahead of the "experts" and geniuses against my argument and Fenders and those who disagree can come back and suck it when it is all set and done and settled in general and I am proved right yet again ahead of the "experts"/geniuses who care to opposes my argument *_*
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The difference an american made fender and a mexican is only which side of the fence the mexicans assembled it. Chill out. Ford should sue everyone with a car with 4 weels too eh?
You can buy fake rolexes and sheet all over, still people buy the real one priced to he startosphere, becasue they know they will get a quality product.
People buy boutique made fender like guitars, because they want a quality product without the fender custom shop price tag and 2 years of wait time.
American made standard fenders are meh at best, probably have 5% above mexican made, which means the mexico factory levelled up on QC.
Captilaism at it's best what america is, so they have outsourced everything to china, to increase profit amd share value.
Same the Spanish did when they have conquered the americas. Outsourced everything to the netherland and it bite them in the ass.
Now china owns the majority of the US's debt. Basically US is the dog of China, due they can ruin the US economy in 1 step. GG
 
aftec said:
The difference an american made fender and a mexican is only which side of the fence the mexicans assembled it. Chill out. Ford should sue everyone with a car with 4 weels too eh?
You can buy fake rolexes and sheet all over, still people buy the real one priced to he startosphere, becasue they know they will get a quality product.
People buy boutique made fender like guitars, because they want a quality product without the fender custom shop price tag and 2 years of wait time.
American made standard fenders are meh at best, probably have 5% above mexican made, which means the mexico factory levelled up on QC.
Captilaism at it's best what america is, so they have outsourced everything to china, to increase profit amd share value.
Same the Spanish did when they have conquered the americas. Outsourced everything to the netherland and it bite them in the ass.
Now china owns the majority of the US's debt. Basically US is the dog of China, due they can ruin the US economy in 1 step. GG
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Jesus could you make you're arguments less America and More Matrix.....if possible 😂


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rsm said:
Leo still created / invented these original designs. When he sold his Fender company, he sold the rights to his Fender creations and designs.
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You're right...
The thing is, what part did Leo sell that *still* holds legal value at this point?
Any patents have expired already, as they do after 20 years.

The headstock shape was trademarked, this TM still stands, so it can still be legally enforced.
That's why my '09 MIJ Charvel has a disclaimer sticker on the back of the headstock about this.
But since there was no -as far as we can tell now- established trademark or even trade dress regarding the body shape, this becomes a grey area at best. It seems Leo never put in that work.

Their current copyright claim to a cherry picked court is shoddy, tweaked with a purposeful twisting of historical facts, decades too late and currently not set up legally fully contested with actual merit yet.

Only a rrrroyal boob would think otherwise... 🤏

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Indignant.... (That's how you spell that word by the way 🤣)

Insolent....

Brainless...

nincompoop. 🤏
 
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rsm said:
making changes to the original designs is a derivative which is still a form of cpying.
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An innovative form though. But again, not required for copying to be valid.
rsm said:
The fact that Fender can't legally monetize or defend their original design does not change the fact that they created the original design
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Leo. Not FMIC ("they").

Your post doesn't seem to provide support for your claim that independent of the law copying is theft and morally wrong, which is the thread I'm pulling at.

Here is what I said:
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Nothing was taken. The idea for the guitar was not plucked out of the creator's head, nor were they deprived of any of their property. They still have all the guitars they made, or the money they got in exchange for them.
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Care to explain how copying is stealing when nothing is taken?
 
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