Thomann Sues Fender on Behalf of "Everyone"

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Then you shouldn't have said "put your money where your mouth is" because you weren't willing to bet. I know for certain Floyd would hand over the dough if he lost so it seems like you are walking away from easy money, being you are so sure of what will happen in this case. Or maybe in the back of your mind you know you could be wrong. *shrugs
Dude, he is so fucking stupid and "Blogs" so much fucking bullshit here he doesn't even remember what he wrote or didn't write. You mentioned him writing " Put your money where your mouth is" twice now. In 2 different posts. He never denied it. The clincher ? He never said it, I said it.

What a fucking dumbass.
 
Dude, he is so fucking stupid and "Blogs" so much fucking bullshit here he doesn't even remember what he wrote or didn't write. You mentioned him writing " Put your money where your mouth is" twice now. In 2 different posts. He never denied it. The clincher ? He never said it, I said it.

What a fucking dumbass.
He echo'ed you in post 188, so I was going off that.
 
Dude, he is so fucking stupid and "Blogs" so much fucking bullshit here he doesn't even remember what he wrote or didn't write. You mentioned him writing " Put your money where your mouth is" twice now. In 2 different posts. He never denied it. The clincher ? He never said it, I said it.

What a fucking dumbass.
I know you are but what am I....... :dunno: :yes::LOL:
 
Then there is no sense in insisting you are right about it while berating others about disagreeing since admittedly you cannot be 100% sure.
Well others are no more right than I in that sense...... But as said in all likelihood and probability my projection is more likely to occur vs pretty much any other scenario.
 
Well others are no more right than I in that sense...... But as said in all likelihood and probability my projection is more likely to occur vs pretty much any other scenario.
So state what you think and hold your peace instead of stirring up the pot since it still remains to be seen anyways. Doesn't that seem like a reasonable approach?
 
An innovative form though. But again, not required for copying to be valid.

Leo. Not FMIC ("they").
Leo sold his Fender; company including the rights to his original Fender designs which are the property of FMIC.
Your post doesn't seem to provide support for your claim that independent of the law copying is theft and morally wrong, which is the thread I'm pulling at.
what would you call copying someone else's original work without their permission / authorization? Flattery? :D

Here is what I said:

Care to explain how copying is stealing when nothing is taken?
 
I doubt Fender have a patent on the shape of guitars; even if they had, patents not last forever, In USA or EU.
They can have a point if another company make guitars with their brand on the headstock, or with the same name model...
Doubt Fender will win in court. Nobody gonna win anyway, and only their lawyers will be happy with the result. Is truly a dumb move.
 
Leo sold his Fender; company including the rights to his original Fender designs which are the property of FMIC.
For the sake of argument let's say he did. I'm not picking at that. It's your statement that FMIC created the original design which I take issue with:
The fact that Fender can't legally monetize or defend their original design does not change the fact that they created the original design
To which I'll reiterate, Leo Fender originated the design. FMIC is not Leo, and did not create the design.

what would you call copying someone else's original work without their permission / authorization? Flattery? :D
Copying. You imply it should be called something different (stealing, per previous posts). Again, why? Nothing was taken.
 
For the sake of argument let's say he did. I'm not picking at that. It's your statement that FMIC created the original design which I take issue with:


Seriously



Leo's original Fender designs are owned by FMIC. I've attributed these creations to Leo. Leo sold hist rights to them; those rights are owned by FMIC.

To which I'll reiterate, Leo Fender originated the design. FMIC is not Leo, and did not create the design.

Obtuse much?

Leo's original Fender designs are owned by FMIC.

Copying. You imply it should be called something different (stealing, per previous posts). Again, why? Nothing was taken.

If FMIC who owns Leo's original designs can't legally enforce the ownership of those designs. That doesn't change the fact that many guitar makers oer the years have copied those original designs to varying degrees, and created derivative works based on those designs.

Copying these designs is stealing, irrespective of FMIC's ability to legally enforce their ownership of Leo's original designs, which FMIC owns.

Many copies are nearly identical to Leo's original designs, minus the headstock. Using Leo's original designs without authorization is stealing.

you're going in circles again. not my problem you can't understand the basics of original design ownership which is separate from legal enforcement.

@Dan Gleesak is this you?
 
Seriously



Leo's original Fender designs are owned by FMIC. I've attributed these creations to Leo. Leo sold hist rights to them; those rights are owned by FMIC.



Obtuse much?

Leo's original Fender designs are owned by FMIC.



If FMIC who owns Leo's original designs can't legally enforce the ownership of those designs. That doesn't change the fact that many guitar makers oer the years have copied those original designs to varying degrees, and created derivative works based on those designs.

Copying these designs is stealing, irrespective of FMIC's ability to legally enforce their ownership of Leo's original designs, which FMIC owns.

Many copies are nearly identical to Leo's original designs, minus the headstock. Using Leo's original designs without authorization is stealing.

you're going in circles again. not my problem you can't understand the basics of original design ownership which is separate from legal enforcement.

@Dan Gleesak is this you?
Nevermind all this is just redundant as in all likelihood Fender won't win the case of course.....



But work out a settlement in their favor that compromises and overall that is as good as win on Fenders part and in my book.
 
Nevermind all this is just redundant as in all likelihood Fender won't win the case of course.....



But work out a settlement in their favor that compromises and overall that is as good as win on Fenders part and in my book.
Fucknut. 4 days ago you guaranteed Fender would win and everyone who disagreed with you was a Gayatollah loving Woke anti American.

So much for out experting the experts eh ? 🤣
 
Fucknut. 4 days ago you guaranteed Fender would win and everyone who disagreed with you was a Gayatollah loving Woke anti American.

So much for out experting the experts eh ? 🤣
You Fucknut.....


A settlement for Fender is essentially winning 😂
 
I think Fender winning is a long shot.... but they should win if there's any actual justice.

There are clearly guitar makers that are making nearly exact copies / knockoffs of Fender's Strat design.

Guitars already made should be grandfathered in.

Manufacturers making close / nearly exact knockoff copies will have to cease production or license the design from Fender.

Manufacturers making derivatives (e.g., Super Strats) that have 10% or more difference in body shape dimensions, contours, etc., are fine. Below 10%, they cease production or license the design from Fender or modify their shape.

Just because copies and knockoffs have been made for decades doesn't make it right nor mean it can't be corrected or changed.

I've posted pics of a few guitars that look like direct knockoffs of Fender's Strat design to most people, there are more; and not just Chinese aliexpress copies.
 
Sure it is. 🤣🤣🤣
Um yeah it is.....

Fender gets what it wants in either case and yes it is essentially a win for Fender if and most probably and in higher likelihood a settlement is reached.

So they don't lose or "win" but reach a settlement which is essentially the same as a win in this case for Fender.
 
I think Fender winning is a long shot.... but they should win if there's any actual justice.

There are clearly guitar makers that are making nearly exact copies / knockoffs of Fender's Strat design.

Guitars already made should be grandfathered in.

Manufacturers making close / nearly exact knockoff copies will have to cease production or license the design from Fender.

Manufacturers making derivatives (e.g., Super Strats) that have 10% or more difference in body shape dimensions, contours, etc., are fine. Below 10%, they cease production or license the design from Fender or modify their shape.

Just because copies and knockoffs have been made for decades doesn't make it right nor mean it can't be corrected or changed.

I've posted pics of a few guitars that look like direct knockoffs of Fender's Strat design to most people, there are more; and not just Chinese aliexpress copies.
This and it's just common sense, a settlement would most likely be similar to this type of agreement roughly as some sort of starting point :dunno:


Since this is on "behalf of everyone" it would apply to everyone as well...... Especially with all the Chinese copies and crap flooding the markets or just copies and fake crap in general. It's sensible and reasonable in general and just follows common sense.
 
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This and it's just common sense, a settlement would most likely be similar to this type of agreement roughly as some sort of starting point :dunno:


Since this is on "behalf of everyone" it would apply to everyone as well...... Its just common sense especially with all the Chinese copies and crap flooding the markets or just copies and fake crap in general. Also it's sensible and reasonable in general and just follows common sense.

IDK, it's not just Chinese; European and other companies are paying mostly Asian factories to make these knockoff copies of Fender's original Strat designs... they also make knockoff copies of Teles, offsets, and other Fender designs

Just because something wrong has been allowed for decades doesn't mean it can't be corrected. The original US Constitution made things legal that were later amended to be illegal; at least a few times, and sometimes made legal again.
 
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Um yeah it is.....

Fender gets what it wants in either case and yes it is essentially a win for Fender if and most probably and in higher likelihood a settlement is reached.

So they don't lose or "win" but reach a settlement which is essentially the same as a win in this case for Fender.
It’s not. And you’re a dumbass.
 

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