Thursday's Weather report....Cali Sunshine!!

[Gainfreak]

Are you going by memory or do you have a clip because I have a live bootleg with Joe playing with ozzy and he plays with an assload of gain IMHO. With that said, I'm pretty sure I can get that tone with the cali mod and some effects but I'm going by the boot I have.

MY recollections are based on seeing him live, so yes, memory, however, I don't remember the amount of gain being that huge... Not stock super lead, of course, but not 5150 lead channel preamp gain on 7 gain...

Steve

Exactly my position on this too Steve. When I saw him live the whole time I was floored by his tone. And when I listen to the youtube clips and listen to the live CD from south America it's the same as what I remember. Definitely more gain than a Super Lead but nowhere near what I'm hearing from the current levels of gain these modern modders are able to get. I'm sure if Jose or Lee Jackson knew how to get as much, smooth, useable gain as the moddern day modders do, they would have done it and we would have used it.

Joe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AIx5Z4d ... re=related

I'm not talking modern gain but the boot I have has a TON of it and I'll have to humbly disagree because Jose did have the technology back in the 70's.
This is the tone that I have on the boot and it's a lot of gain IMHO. it also has that humped up mids that i dig and fortins cali does it in spades. all IMHO!
~R~


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB65gMv1bCw

 

[jcj]

Joe's Jose Marshalls are very, very similar to Splawn Quickrods.

 

[Anonymous]

And Joe Holmes did play with Ozzy more than a few times. he was in the band from 1995-2001 if I remember correctly. Joe Holmes Jose modded Marshalls are one of the best tones I've ever heard. I haven't heard a lot of Fortin clips, but are there any in that vein?

Are you going by memory or do you have a clip because I have a live bootleg with Joe playing with ozzy and he plays with an assload of gain IMHO. With that said, I'm pretty sure I can get that tone with the cali mod and some effects but I'm going by the boot I have.

MY recollections are based on seeing him live, so yes, memory, however, I don't remember the amount of gain being that huge... Not stock super lead, of course, but not 5150 lead channel preamp gain on 7 gain...

Steve

Definitely not 5150 type gain but definitely more then a s/l even with a boost. I have a live bootleg with Joe from 96 and the tone is definitely rodded and gainy. The tone definitely has enough gain and is something that Id more then likely feel comfortable palying on.
FWIW, The Jose master volume with the diode clipping can get a lot of gain.
If you humor me for a second, when you build your rodded Marshall, try Jose's master volume or better yet, try the original Jose mod that's on the net and id be willing to bet it yields a lot more gain then you think.

Ralphie - ya gotta remember two things:

1) The diode clipping Jose Master IS in the design of my amp (just check the schematic) and the basis of the design is to be able to switch in/out the original jose mod you've seen on the net, so you can make the amp a straight Super Lead, a modded 800 or a modded 800 with the Jose Master. Only with a better EFX loop...
2) I've owned 2 Jose Arredondo modded amps and both had the diode-clipping master. One was an 800, one was a Super Lead...

Neither of the amps had the massive gain you hear the modern mods have. And yes, I agree - you'd feel quite comfortable playing any of these amps 'cause your THAT good!

Steve

 

[Gainfreak]

And Joe Holmes did play with Ozzy more than a few times. he was in the band from 1995-2001 if I remember correctly. Joe Holmes Jose modded Marshalls are one of the best tones I've ever heard. I haven't heard a lot of Fortin clips, but are there any in that vein?

Are you going by memory or do you have a clip because I have a live bootleg with Joe playing with ozzy and he plays with an assload of gain IMHO. With that said, I'm pretty sure I can get that tone with the cali mod and some effects but I'm going by the boot I have.

MY recollections are based on seeing him live, so yes, memory, however, I don't remember the amount of gain being that huge... Not stock super lead, of course, but not 5150 lead channel preamp gain on 7 gain...

Steve

Definitely not 5150 type gain but definitely more then a s/l even with a boost. I have a live bootleg with Joe from 96 and the tone is definitely rodded and gainy. The tone definitely has enough gain and is something that Id more then likely feel comfortable palying on.
FWIW, The Jose master volume with the diode clipping can get a lot of gain.
If you humor me for a second, when you build your rodded Marshall, try Jose's master volume or better yet, try the original Jose mod that's on the net and id be willing to bet it yields a lot more gain then you think.

Ralphie - ya gotta remember two things:

1) The diode clipping Jose Master IS in the design of my amp (just check the schematic) and the basis of the design is to be able to switch in/out the original jose mod you've seen on the net, so you can make the amp a straight Super Lead, a modded 800 or a modded 800 with the Jose Master. Only with a better EFX loop...
2) I've owned 2 Jose Arredondo modded amps and both had the diode-clipping master. One was an 800, one was a Super Lead...

Neither of the amps had the massive gain you hear the modern mods have. And yes, I agree - you'd feel quite comfortable playing any of these amps 'cause your THAT good!

Steve

I hear you and I CANNOT wait to hear what you've come up with! With that said I'm still not talking about comparing the Jose to modern day gain. I'm just saying that the Jose's had plenty of it IMHO
Listen to Sykes' is this love solo. Quiet Riot's bang your head and some old Crue.

and you are way to kind about my playing

Love ya brother!

 

[Anonymous]

And Joe Holmes did play with Ozzy more than a few times. he was in the band from 1995-2001 if I remember correctly. Joe Holmes Jose modded Marshalls are one of the best tones I've ever heard. I haven't heard a lot of Fortin clips, but are there any in that vein?

Are you going by memory or do you have a clip because I have a live bootleg with Joe playing with ozzy and he plays with an assload of gain IMHO. With that said, I'm pretty sure I can get that tone with the cali mod and some effects but I'm going by the boot I have.

MY recollections are based on seeing him live, so yes, memory, however, I don't remember the amount of gain being that huge... Not stock super lead, of course, but not 5150 lead channel preamp gain on 7 gain...

Steve

Definitely not 5150 type gain but definitely more then a s/l even with a boost. I have a live bootleg with Joe from 96 and the tone is definitely rodded and gainy. The tone definitely has enough gain and is something that Id more then likely feel comfortable palying on.
FWIW, The Jose master volume with the diode clipping can get a lot of gain.
If you humor me for a second, when you build your rodded Marshall, try Jose's master volume or better yet, try the original Jose mod that's on the net and id be willing to bet it yields a lot more gain then you think.

Ralphie - ya gotta remember two things:

1) The diode clipping Jose Master IS in the design of my amp (just check the schematic) and the basis of the design is to be able to switch in/out the original jose mod you've seen on the net, so you can make the amp a straight Super Lead, a modded 800 or a modded 800 with the Jose Master. Only with a better EFX loop...
2) I've owned 2 Jose Arredondo modded amps and both had the diode-clipping master. One was an 800, one was a Super Lead...

Neither of the amps had the massive gain you hear the modern mods have. And yes, I agree - you'd feel quite comfortable playing any of these amps 'cause your THAT good!

Steve

I hear you and I CANNOT wait to hear what you've come up with! With that said I'm still not talking about comparing the Jose to modern day gain. I'm just saying that the Jose's had plenty of it IMHO
Listen to Sykes' is this love solo. Quiet Riot's bang your head and some old Crue.

and you are way to kind about my playing

Love ya brother!

Right back atcha!

 

[Gainfreak]

And Joe Holmes did play with Ozzy more than a few times. he was in the band from 1995-2001 if I remember correctly. Joe Holmes Jose modded Marshalls are one of the best tones I've ever heard. I haven't heard a lot of Fortin clips, but are there any in that vein?

Are you going by memory or do you have a clip because I have a live bootleg with Joe playing with ozzy and he plays with an assload of gain IMHO. With that said, I'm pretty sure I can get that tone with the cali mod and some effects but I'm going by the boot I have.

MY recollections are based on seeing him live, so yes, memory, however, I don't remember the amount of gain being that huge... Not stock super lead, of course, but not 5150 lead channel preamp gain on 7 gain...

Steve

Definitely not 5150 type gain but definitely more then a s/l even with a boost. I have a live bootleg with Joe from 96 and the tone is definitely rodded and gainy. The tone definitely has enough gain and is something that Id more then likely feel comfortable palying on.
FWIW, The Jose master volume with the diode clipping can get a lot of gain.
If you humor me for a second, when you build your rodded Marshall, try Jose's master volume or better yet, try the original Jose mod that's on the net and id be willing to bet it yields a lot more gain then you think.

Ralphie - ya gotta remember two things:

1) The diode clipping Jose Master IS in the design of my amp (just check the schematic) and the basis of the design is to be able to switch in/out the original jose mod you've seen on the net, so you can make the amp a straight Super Lead, a modded 800 or a modded 800 with the Jose Master. Only with a better EFX loop...
2) I've owned 2 Jose Arredondo modded amps and both had the diode-clipping master. One was an 800, one was a Super Lead...

Neither of the amps had the massive gain you hear the modern mods have. And yes, I agree - you'd feel quite comfortable playing any of these amps 'cause your THAT good!

Steve

I hear you and I CANNOT wait to hear what you've come up with! With that said I'm still not talking about comparing the Jose to modern day gain. I'm just saying that the Jose's had plenty of it IMHO
Listen to Sykes' is this love solo. Quiet Riot's bang your head and some old Crue.

and you are way to kind about my playing

Love ya brother!

Right back atcha!

 

[Chubtone]

Ralph,
You have to keep in mind that I am basing my memory on Joe's tone based on hearing that same rig in a more stripped down format a few times in the clubs in LA. I think what Joe's amp still retains is this fine line of about 55% articulation and 45% saturation. At the same time Sykes's modded Jose's sound more like these modern modded Marshalls. On the Thin Lizzy stuff, Sykes has more saturation going than articulation. Maybe it's the same mod they both have and maybe Joe is just backing down on the gain from where Sykes is. Maybe it's that J80 pickup Joe uses.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Joe has that staccato, choppy type of character to his lead tone here and Sykes has more of that singy, sustainy thing going on. I seem to hear more of that singy, sustainy thing going on in most modded Marshalls these days. I don't even know if this makes sense. It's like Le Tekro would love playing through Joe's tone as is but he would lose all the coolness of his palm muting through Sykes amp at Sykes settings. Maybe it's just as simple as turning the gain knob to different levels.

IF that is the same mod in both of those guys amps I think it would be safe to say that Jose is even more GENIUS than he is given credit for.

 

[Digital Jams]

Ralph,
You have to keep in mind that I am basing my memory on Joe's tone based on hearing that same rig in a more stripped down format a few times in the clubs in LA. I think what Joe's amp still retains is this fine line of about 55% articulation and 45% saturation. At the same time Sykes's modded Jose's sound more like these modern modded Marshalls. On the Thin Lizzy stuff, Sykes has more saturation going than articulation. Maybe it's the same mod they both have and maybe Joe is just backing down on the gain from where Sykes is. Maybe it's that J80 pickup Joe uses.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Joe has that staccato, choppy type of character to his lead tone here and Sykes has more of that singy, sustainy thing going on. I seem to hear more of that singy, sustainy thing going on in most modded Marshalls these days. I don't even know if this makes sense. It's like Le Tekro would love playing through Joe's tone as is but he would lose all the coolness of his palm muting through Sykes amp at Sykes settings. Maybe it's just as simple as turning the gain knob to different levels.

IF that is the same mod in both of those guys amps I think it would be safe to say that Jose is even more GENIUS than he is given credit for.

Curt, I believe someone stated they were close to you with a Fortin mod? Take him up on it, I am not as versed as you guys in everything Jose but that choppy staccato lead tone is in that box, this much I do know. I know you will have a blast with it.

Yeah got mine yesterday and way to early to make any definitive observation due to the sheer amount of tone choices, I spent 90 minutes going through switches cutting out or adding bright caps, different gain levels. It will get loose or it can get tight, raw or saturated. The loop is outstanding, best loop that I have tried so far and here is the kicker............with both gains at 6 the amp is dead quiet, I mean your grabbing your volume pot to check it quiet.

Throw the master volume saturation switch in the middle and you have a ppimv plexi type amp. Big and open.


I know you will like this amp Curt and you would enjoy the crap out of it.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Ralph,
You have to keep in mind that I am basing my memory on Joe's tone based on hearing that same rig in a more stripped down format a few times in the clubs in LA. I think what Joe's amp still retains is this fine line of about 55% articulation and 45% saturation. At the same time Sykes's modded Jose's sound more like these modern modded Marshalls. On the Thin Lizzy stuff, Sykes has more saturation going than articulation. Maybe it's the same mod they both have and maybe Joe is just backing down on the gain from where Sykes is. Maybe it's that J80 pickup Joe uses.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Joe has that staccato, choppy type of character to his lead tone here and Sykes has more of that singy, sustainy thing going on. I seem to hear more of that singy, sustainy thing going on in most modded Marshalls these days. I don't even know if this makes sense. It's like Le Tekro would love playing through Joe's tone as is but he would lose all the coolness of his palm muting through Sykes amp at Sykes settings. Maybe it's just as simple as turning the gain knob to different levels.

IF that is the same mod in both of those guys amps I think it would be safe to say that Jose is even more GENIUS than he is given credit for.

Curt, I believe someone stated they were close to you with a Fortin mod? Take him up on it, I am not as versed as you guys in everything Jose but that choppy staccato lead tone is in that box, this much I do know. I know you will have a blast with it.

Yeah got mine yesterday and way to early to make any definitive observation due to the sheer amount of tone choices, I spent 90 minutes going through switches cutting out or adding bright caps, different gain levels. It will get loose or it can get tight, raw or saturated. The loop is outstanding, best loop that I have tried so far and here is the kicker............with both gains at 6 the amp is dead quiet, I mean your grabbing your volume pot to check it quiet.

Throw the master volume saturation switch in the middle and you have a ppimv plexi type amp. Big and open.


I know you will like this amp Curt and you would enjoy the crap out of it.

Funny, i keep my gains around 6. How are setting your loop and what are you using in it? I'm using a pedal, Timeline, for delay. It doesn't have a -10 or +4 setting though. But I'm using it in Parallel with the send level all the way up and return level around 6.

 

[Digital Jams]

6 is a good place, of course you can go nuts and ramp up gain 2 and clip the crap out of it

I must be playing louder, my send is around 4-5 and I am running about 8 on the return/mix right now. Don't forget the loop is post master volume. How quiet is yours? I could be 2' away from the cab making adjustments and it is dead quiet, can't believe it.

 

[cyndicate]

Ralph,
You have to keep in mind that I am basing my memory on Joe's tone based on hearing that same rig in a more stripped down format a few times in the clubs in LA. I think what Joe's amp still retains is this fine line of about 55% articulation and 45% saturation. At the same time Sykes's modded Jose's sound more like these modern modded Marshalls. On the Thin Lizzy stuff, Sykes has more saturation going than articulation. Maybe it's the same mod they both have and maybe Joe is just backing down on the gain from where Sykes is. Maybe it's that J80 pickup Joe uses.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Joe has that staccato, choppy type of character to his lead tone here and Sykes has more of that singy, sustainy thing going on. I seem to hear more of that singy, sustainy thing going on in most modded Marshalls these days. I don't even know if this makes sense. It's like Le Tekro would love playing through Joe's tone as is but he would lose all the coolness of his palm muting through Sykes amp at Sykes settings. Maybe it's just as simple as turning the gain knob to different levels.

IF that is the same mod in both of those guys amps I think it would be safe to say that Jose is even more GENIUS than he is given credit for.

Curt, I believe someone stated they were close to you with a Fortin mod? Take him up on it, I am not as versed as you guys in everything Jose but that choppy staccato lead tone is in that box, this much I do know. I know you will have a blast with it.

Yeah got mine yesterday and way to early to make any definitive observation due to the sheer amount of tone choices, I spent 90 minutes going through switches cutting out or adding bright caps, different gain levels. It will get loose or it can get tight, raw or saturated. The loop is outstanding, best loop that I have tried so far and here is the kicker............with both gains at 6 the amp is dead quiet, I mean your grabbing your volume pot to check it quiet.

Throw the master volume saturation switch in the middle and you have a ppimv plexi type amp. Big and open.


I know you will like this amp Curt and you would enjoy the crap out of it.

Yeah that was me, If you ever want to check it out Curt let me know I dig that saturation switch in the middle position. I think I spend most my time there, or with it to the right for that extra kick. I had Mike install External Bias controls as well but I haven't messed with any tube swaps yet. Since work is slow now I will finally have time to try out some different tubes and piss off the neighbors in the process

 

[thiswaythatway]

6 is a good place, of course you can go nuts and ramp up gain 2 and clip the crap out of it

I must be playing louder, my send is around 4-5 and I am running about 8 on the return/mix right now. Don't forget the loop is post master volume. How quiet is yours? I could be 2' away from the cab making adjustments and it is dead quiet, can't believe it.

Pretty quiet but i still use the Decimator since i think i get a little noise from all the lights in my basement. I put the send all the way up to get more of the effect since I'm using a pedal and not a +4 level rack level unit.

Wife is going out tonight with some friends and my Daughter goes to sleep at 8:15 like clockwork so I'll get some time to jam tonight for sure.

Now, where should i look to buy some Floyd parts? I'm going to build a Charvel clone.

 

[projectx102]

Are you going by memory or do you have a clip because I have a live bootleg with Joe playing with ozzy and he plays with an assload of gain IMHO. With that said, I'm pretty sure I can get that tone with the cali mod and some effects but I'm going by the boot I have.

MY recollections are based on seeing him live, so yes, memory, however, I don't remember the amount of gain being that huge... Not stock super lead, of course, but not 5150 lead channel preamp gain on 7 gain...

Steve

Exactly my position on this too Steve. When I saw him live the whole time I was floored by his tone. And when I listen to the youtube clips and listen to the live CD from south America it's the same as what I remember. Definitely more gain than a Super Lead but nowhere near what I'm hearing from the current levels of gain these modern modders are able to get. I'm sure if Jose or Lee Jackson knew how to get as much, smooth, useable gain as the moddern day modders do, they would have done it and we would have used it.

Joe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AIx5Z4d ... re=related

Anyone know what year his Strat was? I'm curious if the bodies were ash or alder.

 

[Chubtone]

Anyone know what year his Strat was? I'm curious if the bodies were ash or alder.

His strat bodies are all alder. They were clones of the old Charvels he always used. He stopped using the Charvels as soon as grunge hit in an attempt to be more hip and current. So he bobbed his hair and used 1990's approved '70's strats and then heavily modified them. To call these guitars Fenders though is pretty much a joke. He takes the freaking fretboards off and has new, 22 fret, Charvel radius and jumbo fret fretboards installed. Then he has Jackson J-80 pickups installed.

I think it would be safe to tell Joe he can start playing Charvels again. Doug Aldrich too. Doug switched from Jacksons and Charvels to Fender strats and Les Pauls at the EXACT same time Joe did and for the EXACT same reason. Hey Joe and Doug, it's 2009...... it's ok to rip and shred again and to play guitars that are built for it.

 

[Chubtone]

Yeah that was me, If you ever want to check it out Curt let me know I dig that saturation switch in the middle position. I think I spend most my time there, or with it to the right for that extra kick. I had Mike install External Bias controls as well but I haven't messed with any tube swaps yet. Since work is slow now I will finally have time to try out some different tubes and piss off the neighbors in the process

Thanks for the offer. I appreciate it. Do you think it will be around for a while?

 

[cyndicate]

Yeah that was me, If you ever want to check it out Curt let me know I dig that saturation switch in the middle position. I think I spend most my time there, or with it to the right for that extra kick. I had Mike install External Bias controls as well but I haven't messed with any tube swaps yet. Since work is slow now I will finally have time to try out some different tubes and piss off the neighbors in the process

Thanks for the offer. I appreciate it. Do you think it will be around for a while?

Yep most likely going to stay for a while, after my last gear transaction fuckup my gear flipping is on hold for now.

 

[Chubtone]

Yep most likely going to stay for a while, after my last gear transaction fuckup my gear flipping is on hold for now.

Going by the Rig Talk history of all of us sickos, this is the line that the seller normally puts up the day before they list the item in the classifieds.

 

[jcj]

Anyone know what year his Strat was? I'm curious if the bodies were ash or alder.

His strat bodies are all alder. They were clones of the old Charvels he always used. He stopped using the Charvels as soon as grunge hit in an attempt to be more hip and current. So he bobbed his hair and used 1990's approved '70's strats and then heavily modified them. To call these guitars Fenders though is pretty much a joke. He takes the freaking fretboards off and has new, 22 fret, Charvel radius and jumbo fret fretboards installed. Then he has Jackson J-80 pickups installed.

I think it would be safe to tell Joe he can start playing Charvels again. Doug Aldrich too. Doug switched from Jacksons and Charvels to Fender strats and Les Pauls at the EXACT same time Joe did and for the EXACT same reason. Hey Joe and Doug, it's 2009...... it's ok to rip and shred again and to play guitars that are built for it.

Don't know about the fretboard, but I can vouch for the pickup thing...Joe swears by those. He loves 'em.

You should see the strat that's on the magazine cover of an earlier post. Almost no paint left. Says it was from squirt gun fights on the Ozzy tour.

Joe is a great guy, really one of the nicest people you'd ever want to know.

Edited to add: He still has the main Charvel, great playing guitar

 

[cyndicate]

Yep most likely going to stay for a while, after my last gear transaction fuckup my gear flipping is on hold for now.

Going by the Rig Talk history of all of us sickos, this is the line that the seller normally puts up the day before they list the item in the classifieds.

Too true, but I'll definitely have it long enough for some of the people down here to test out if they want

 

[AmpliFIRE]

Yeah that was me, If you ever want to check it out Curt let me know I dig that saturation switch in the middle position. I think I spend most my time there, or with it to the right for that extra kick. I had Mike install External Bias controls as well but I haven't messed with any tube swaps yet. Since work is slow now I will finally have time to try out some different tubes and piss off the neighbors in the process

Thanks for the offer. I appreciate it. Do you think it will be around for a while?

Yep most likely going to stay for a while, after my last gear transaction fuckup my gear flipping is on hold for now.

DIBS!!