Tool fans

[311boogieman]

I know this is Off Topic but it's a mad house over there

Anyway, we can Talk about Adam's Rig too

Looks like he is still using his sig guitar but really wondering what amps he might be using these days - if anyone knows. I know he used to use Diezels a lot mixed with other amps.

New album out (supposedly) August 30th.

With the recent interview with Guitar World he gives up some interesting goods on the new album that help prove they are actually really close this time. Adam said it is 80 minutes long and has only 7 songs. Nothing written for the radio he said.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/ge ... songs.html

 

[Vin Diezel]

I saw them a few months ago and they played two or three new songs.
The concert was great, but the new songs are not good at all. Really worse than I expected and I did not expect much anymore.
You can hear in the end product that their song writing process is tedious to the max. Like endless rhythm practice with a few specks of not very interesting vocals. No common thread, just riffs that are not very well put together played endlessly.

I now understand why Paul D'Amour left the band.
imho Lateralus is the last album that should have been released under the name of Tool.

 

[cardinal]

They've played some of the new stuff live. Loooong meandering songs. Not my preference.

At least live, his rig is pretty much the same. VH4/Mesa 4/12 and Marshall/1960. I think the Diezel may now be all Silverface, though I wonder if he still uses the blue face in the studio.

 

[psychodave]

Not trolling, but do people really chase his sound?

 

[Vin Diezel]

I like his sound, it's the songs that have become bad.

 

[311boogieman]

I saw them a few months ago and they played two or three new songs.
The concert was great, but the new songs are not good at all. Really worse than I expected and I did not expect much anymore.
You can hear in the end product that their song writing process is tedious to the max. Like endless rhythm practice with a few specks of not very interesting vocals. No common thread, just riffs that are not very well put together played endlessly.

I now understand why Paul D'Amour left the band.
imho Lateralus is the last album that should have been released under the name of Tool.

Wow.

All this anticipation

That is actually the first 'review' of the new stuff I've heard. Granted I have not been super proactive in looking either. 11 years now isn't it? Or something. I'm not into long meandering nonsense. Looks like I might be able to scratch this off my list of things to buy.

 

[Meeotch]

I would not get discouraged until hearing the album in it's finished state. I actually love the direction they moved in with 10,000 days, but damn it has been a while. At this point, even if there are only a couple tracks that really stand out as awesome, I see that as a win for any Tool fan.

 

[FourT6and2]

I saw them a few months ago and they played two or three new songs.
The concert was great, but the new songs are not good at all. Really worse than I expected and I did not expect much anymore.
You can hear in the end product that their song writing process is tedious to the max. Like endless rhythm practice with a few specks of not very interesting vocals. No common thread, just riffs that are not very well put together played endlessly.

I now understand why Paul D'Amour left the band.
imho Lateralus is the last album that should have been released under the name of Tool.

/
Wow.

All this anticipation

That is actually the first 'review' of the new stuff I've heard. Granted I have not been super proactive in looking either. 11 years now isn't it? Or something. I'm not into long meandering nonsense. Looks like I might be able to scratch this off my list of things to buy.

One dude on the internet says he doesn't like a song or two he heard once and you've completely written off the new album? One of those new songs is literally about how they are getting old now and how all the anticipation and buildup by fans has created this overwhelming duty and pressure to deliver greatness over and over. Must be really hard.

 

[sleewell2]

Not trolling, but do people really chase his sound?

Not trolling, but do people really chase hair metal tones in 2019?

 

[psychodave]

Not trolling, but do people really chase his sound?

Not trolling, but do people really chase hair metal tones in 2019?

Sorry, I really don’t know, but with the popularity of Friedman amps, I would have to assume yes.

 

[Racerxrated]

Not trolling, but do people really chase his sound?

Not trolling, but do people really chase hair metal tones in 2019?

Sorry, I really don’t know, but with the popularity of Friedman amps, I would have to assume yes.

If you take a listen to "The Pot" off 10,000 Days, that riff towards the end of the tune might be one of the best high gain tones ever. IMO.
But, to be fair, that tone is like 5 amps mixed together. But DAMN it sounds killer.

 

[sleewell2]

Not trolling, but do people really chase his sound?

Not trolling, but do people really chase hair metal tones in 2019?

Sorry, I really don’t know, but with the popularity of Friedman amps, I would have to assume yes.

Well by that logic judging by the popularity of Marshalls, Diezels, and Les Pauls I think the answer to your first question would be yes.

 

[GOHOINC]

They've played some of the new stuff live. Loooong meandering songs. Not my preference.

At least live, his rig is pretty much the same. VH4/Mesa 4/12 and Marshall/1960. I think the Diezel may now be all Silverface, though I wonder if he still uses the blue face in the studio.

Same main live rig, blueface + silverface + superbass/lead.

 

[Vin Diezel]

I saw them a few months ago and they played two or three new songs.
The concert was great, but the new songs are not good at all. Really worse than I expected and I did not expect much anymore.
You can hear in the end product that their song writing process is tedious to the max. Like endless rhythm practice with a few specks of not very interesting vocals. No common thread, just riffs that are not very well put together played endlessly.

I now understand why Paul D'Amour left the band.
imho Lateralus is the last album that should have been released under the name of Tool.

/
Wow.

All this anticipation

That is actually the first 'review' of the new stuff I've heard. Granted I have not been super proactive in looking either. 11 years now isn't it? Or something. I'm not into long meandering nonsense. Looks like I might be able to scratch this off my list of things to buy.

One dude on the internet says he doesn't like a song or two he heard once and you've completely written off the new album? One of those new songs is literally about how they are getting old now and how all the anticipation and buildup by fans has created this overwhelming duty and pressure to deliver greatness over and over. Must be really hard.

Of course, I'm just a dude on the internet, but the problem is I'm probably right. TOOL was one of my favourite bands until Lateralus days, but 10000 days had 3 memorable songs, the rest was filler. I've written a few songs and I know how hard it is...
In the end, the fanboys are going to convince themselves that the new stuff does not suck and is somehow magickal, anyway. So what.

 

[stephen sawall]

I'm guessing 7 amps too ?

 

[psychodave]

Not trolling, but do people really chase his sound?

Not trolling, but do people really chase hair metal tones in 2019?

Sorry, I really don’t know, but with the popularity of Friedman amps, I would have to assume yes.

If you take a listen to "The Pot" off 10,000 Days, that riff towards the end of the tune might be one of the best high gain tones ever. IMO.
But, to be fair, that tone is like 5 amps mixed together. But DAMN it sounds killer.

I just listened to it (never heard the song before), tone is cool...clear and dry sounding.

 

[311boogieman]

I saw them a few months ago and they played two or three new songs.
The concert was great, but the new songs are not good at all. Really worse than I expected and I did not expect much anymore.
You can hear in the end product that their song writing process is tedious to the max. Like endless rhythm practice with a few specks of not very interesting vocals. No common thread, just riffs that are not very well put together played endlessly.

I now understand why Paul D'Amour left the band.
imho Lateralus is the last album that should have been released under the name of Tool.

/
Wow.

All this anticipation

That is actually the first 'review' of the new stuff I've heard. Granted I have not been super proactive in looking either. 11 years now isn't it? Or something. I'm not into long meandering nonsense. Looks like I might be able to scratch this off my list of things to buy.

One dude on the internet says he doesn't like a song or two he heard once and you've completely written off the new album? One of those new songs is literally about how they are getting old now and how all the anticipation and buildup by fans has created this overwhelming duty and pressure to deliver greatness over and over. Must be really hard.

You are right of course but it was actually 2 people and then Adam Jones himself really. The second person was the one who made reference to 'long meandering songs'. I'm no into that.

In the article I read that I pasted here Adam states:
"the interview reveals some interesting points about the forthcoming new album, including word that it will sport an 80-minute running time split across seven included tracks." That and the comment made - The songs are avoiding the "standard radio single format," the report reads."

So I read that and then two of our comrades said they actually heard some of the songs live and didn't care for it.

That is what I found curious. That and the polymeter/or polyrhythm aspects and conscious/subconscious use of 7's in the writing of the material. I'm a 4/4 guy

Besides, I didn't say I've completely written off the new album - I just said I'm not going to run out and buy it. The Tool fanboi'ism, not you, is deep. You're right, the anticipation has been intense for many. 13 years right? I don't write songs for public consumption LOL but yes, must be very hard. But why is it THAT much harder? There is also intense interest over bands like Mastadon, Killswitch Engage, Metallica, Slipknot and Ghost for example - and they crank out albums pretty regularly. I personally prefer the shorter form factor for songs. I get bored easily. Call me simple minded.

 

[cardinal]

They've played some of the new stuff live. Loooong meandering songs. Not my preference.

At least live, his rig is pretty much the same. VH4/Mesa 4/12 and Marshall/1960. I think the Diezel may now be all Silverface, though I wonder if he still uses the blue face in the studio.

Same main live rig, blueface + silverface + superbass/lead.

Oh you're right, the blueface and silverface (and the Marshall) all on stage.

I do love his tone.

 

[FourT6and2]

I saw them a few months ago and they played two or three new songs.
The concert was great, but the new songs are not good at all. Really worse than I expected and I did not expect much anymore.
You can hear in the end product that their song writing process is tedious to the max. Like endless rhythm practice with a few specks of not very interesting vocals. No common thread, just riffs that are not very well put together played endlessly.

I now understand why Paul D'Amour left the band.
imho Lateralus is the last album that should have been released under the name of Tool.

/
Wow.

All this anticipation

That is actually the first 'review' of the new stuff I've heard. Granted I have not been super proactive in looking either. 11 years now isn't it? Or something. I'm not into long meandering nonsense. Looks like I might be able to scratch this off my list of things to buy.

One dude on the internet says he doesn't like a song or two he heard once and you've completely written off the new album? One of those new songs is literally about how they are getting old now and how all the anticipation and buildup by fans has created this overwhelming duty and pressure to deliver greatness over and over. Must be really hard.

You are right of course but it was actually 2 people and then Adam Jones himself really. The second person was the one who made reference to 'long meandering songs'. I'm no into that.

In the article I read that I pasted here Adam states:
"the interview reveals some interesting points about the forthcoming new album, including word that it will sport an 80-minute running time split across seven included tracks." That and the comment made - The songs are avoiding the "standard radio single format," the report reads."

So I read that and then two of our comrades said they actually heard some of the songs live and didn't care for it.

That is what I found curious. That and the polymeter/or polyrhythm aspects and conscious/subconscious use of 7's in the writing of the material. I'm a 4/4 guy

Besides, I didn't say I've completely written off the new album - I just said I'm not going to run out and buy it. The Tool fanboi'ism, not you, is deep. You're right, the anticipation has been intense for many. 13 years right? I don't write songs for public consumption LOL but yes, must be very hard. But why is it THAT much harder? There is also intense interest over bands like Mastadon, Killswitch Engage, Metallica, Slipknot and Ghost for example - and they crank out albums pretty regularly. I personally prefer the shorter form factor for songs. I get bored easily. Call me simple minded.

Well all of that has been Tool's schtick from the very beginning. So none of that should come as a surprise. All of their albums are full of non-radio friendly songs with odd time signatures and long, meandering riffs and passages. That's what makes Tool, Tool. And that's why people like them. They have had singles here and there in the past, but look at Anima... six minutes, forty seconds. Not exactly a radio-friendly length lol.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new album. Hopefully it's good.

Also wait... people still listen to the radio????

 

[311boogieman]

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