treble bleed on volume

[splatter]

I know that it is suppose to help retain the highs with the volume rolled off.Just wondering if this will have any effect on my tone with the volume on 10?

 

[mystixboi]

Yup. I have it on my Ibanez Andy Timmons and it's just amazing. I don't even touch my other Guitars anymore because I find that I have so much more versatility in my tone

 

[splatter]

Yup. I have it on my Ibanez Andy Timmons and it's just amazing. I don't even touch my other Guitars anymore because I find that I have so much more versatility in my tone

So you are saying it does affect the tone with the volume on 10? If so how ? Makes it brighter or darker ?

 

[JakeAC5253]

Yes it does have a slight effect when full up as well. You can also put a resistor from input to wiper on the pot to alter the sweep of the pot as well, working with the cap to make the upper 50% or so of the sweep clean volume change. I played around with component values of these parts to hell and back, but eventually went back to straight 500k pot to output.

 

[1meanplexi]

I just soldered one in on my LP. Cannot believe I did not do it sooner. I noticed zero affect on the tone of my guitar. I did notice how incredibly clean it stays now with rolling off the volume. No more mud .

 

[slash57]

You can also use a push-pull pot and have the treble bleed only in the signal path when pulled (Not that I notice a difference.)
Some Ibanez Joe Satriani models have this (the JS2000 for sure).
you might be able to find the schematic on dimarzio.com

 

[LP Freak]

I just soldered one in on my LP. Cannot believe I did not do it sooner. I noticed zero affect on the tone of my guitar. I did notice how incredibly clean it stays now with rolling off the volume. No more mud .

What value resistors did you use?

 

[supersonic]

I just soldered one in on my LP. Cannot believe I did not do it sooner. I noticed zero affect on the tone of my guitar. I did notice how incredibly clean it stays now with rolling off the volume. No more mud .

Yep, did this mod to mine years ago, I could not use it before the mod, it has a crisp clean tone when rolled down now.

 

[scottosan]

Yes it does have a slight effect when full up as well. You can also put a resistor from input to wiper on the pot to alter the sweep of the pot as well, working with the cap to make the upper 50% or so of the sweep clean volume change. I played around with component values of these parts to hell and back, but eventually went back to straight 500k pot to output.

It absolutely does NOT affect the tone with the volume on 10, as the center and hot lug are shorted, thus bypassing the cap with the pot full open this can be confirmed with a multimeter

 

[midnightlaundry]

I personally think the Treble Bleed sound like shit; fake and thin as fuck.

I much prefer the 50's wiring. It make your V and T interact a lot more. Furthermore, it changes the taper effect of your volume in that the volume drops faster, but so what. You adapt to it real quick. It's a quick mod too.

 

[scottosan]

I personally think the Treble Bleed sound like shit; fake and thin as fuck.

I much prefer the 50's wiring. It make your V and T interact a lot more. Furthermore, it changes the taper effect of your volume in that the volume drops faster, but so what. You adapt to it real quick. It's a quick mod too.

this is my preferred method as well. I don't know why it's not more commonly used.

 

[JakeAC5253]

Yes it does have a slight effect when full up as well. You can also put a resistor from input to wiper on the pot to alter the sweep of the pot as well, working with the cap to make the upper 50% or so of the sweep clean volume change. I played around with component values of these parts to hell and back, but eventually went back to straight 500k pot to output.

It absolutely does NOT affect the tone with the volume on 10, as the center and hot lug are shorted, thus bypassing the cap with the pot full open this can be confirmed with a multimeter

I know how the electronics of it works, but when the pot is full up, the capacitor is still in the circuit, and will have a tuning effect on the pickup since the pickup is an inductor. You can hear the difference if you AB them. It's a similar setup as a bright cap on an amp, although there is no inductor in the amp, it's supposed to only affect the tone when rolled down, but you can still hear a slight effect when full up.

 

[fearhk213]

I have one on one of my guitars. It can be a catch 22. It definitely preserves the highs when rolling off the volume, but I find it gets a bit shrill, so I just end up reaching for the tone knob.

 

[Dopethrone]

You cant just slap (i mean you CAN but....) a resistor/cap combo in there and expect perfect results.

Try a bunch of different combos. Personally, 470n usually gets me in the ballpark with ibanezes.
I dont use a resistor, i like it squeaking through just the cap.

Wanna get adventurous, set up a 5 way varitone, wire in a bunch of different cap combos that increase/decrease incrementally and see which you like.
Then wire in some ballpark resistors to that cap and varitone that.

you'll find your combo for your ears eventually. the legwork is way worth it.

 

[LP Freak]

I personally think the Treble Bleed sound like shit; fake and thin as fuck.

I much prefer the 50's wiring. It make your V and T interact a lot more. Furthermore, it changes the taper effect of your volume in that the volume drops faster, but so what. You adapt to it real quick. It's a quick mod too.

this is my preferred method as well. I don't know why it's not more commonly used.

I agree. 50's wiring is the way to go for me.

 

[scottosan]

Yes it does have a slight effect when full up as well. You can also put a resistor from input to wiper on the pot to alter the sweep of the pot as well, working with the cap to make the upper 50% or so of the sweep clean volume change. I played around with component values of these parts to hell and back, but eventually went back to straight 500k pot to output.

It absolutely does NOT affect the tone with the volume on 10, as the center and hot lug are shorted, thus bypassing the cap with the pot full open this can be confirmed with a multimeter

I know how the electronics of it works, but when the pot is full up, the capacitor is still in the circuit, and will have a tuning effect on the pickup since the pickup is an inductor. You can hear the difference if you AB them. It's a similar setup as a bright cap on an amp, although there is no inductor in the amp, it's supposed to only affect the tone when rolled down, but you can still hear a slight effect when full up.

You understand the OP is asking about the effect when the pot is on 10, right? You are incorrect on the amp as well. You notice the bright cap has diminishing affects as the the gain pot in turn up and when if get to 10 it is out of the circuit. I'm sorry but a capacitor with 0 resistance in parallel has 0 impact on the tone the wiper of the pot is shorted to the hot lug when the pot is turned all of the way up. This is not my subjective opinion. Dont trust me simply test it with a multimeter then do the math. A capacitor cannot possibly have any affect of tone if bypassed with zero resistance.


http://www.guitar-mod.com/rg_diag_treble_bleed.html

VOLUME ON 10 - when the volume is maxed out, the cap is shorted out since there is zero resistance between lugs 2 and 3 on the pot.