VFE Standout users..

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I often wonder why so many brands ruin a great thing they once had with later revisions that sound worse. My theory is it’s partly that they see it looking better and improved on paper/technically and aren’t always using their ears enough in actually testing and AB’ing that way
 
braintheory said:
I often wonder why so many brands ruin a great thing they once had with later revisions that sound worse. My theory is it’s partly that they see it looking better and improved on paper/technically and aren’t always using their ears enough in actually testing and AB’ing that way
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Cant keep up with the build demand once something gets popular, so they change it to be made easier or cheaper, so they can produce higher numbers.
 
PurityS.L.G said:
I’m pretty confident 90% of that tone is that JMP into your H30 loaded cab played through your Charvel. All your clips with that setup sound pretty much the same, which is glorious btw. Those pedals aren’t doing very much heavy lifting on your tone.
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It was never supposed to do any heavy lifting, it's just a HPF+LPF. But sometimes that's all you need - something that don't fuck with your mids.
 
Shask said:
Cant keep up with the build demand once something gets popular, so they change it to be made easier or cheaper, so they can produce higher numbers.
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I would guess it's probably both. Also some parts no longer being available.
 
braintheory said:
I often wonder why so many brands ruin a great thing they once had with later revisions that sound worse. My theory is it’s partly that they see it looking better and improved on paper/technically and aren’t always using their ears enough in actually testing and AB’ing that way
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Demand.

I have an original hand made Timmy with the "bread board" and it sounds WAY different than what is produced today (I bought it new from Paul long ago). A few years back, I wanted a newer version with a cool color. Once I hear it I was completely let down. Just mushy junk.
 
psychodave said:
Demand.

I have an original hand made Timmy with the "bread board" and it sounds WAY different than what is produced today (I bought it new from Paul long ago). A few years back, I wanted a newer version with a cool color. Once I hear it I was completely let down. Just mushy junk.
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Yeah I had that version too as well as the later one with the switch up. I didn’t keep either, but that original was a lot better. I just don’t like I guess that these later versions often times are supposedly “new and improved” when really it tends to be the opposite. It’s more though with amps where often times the original version is killer and then later revisions keep getting progressively worse
 
I haven't tried Henning's version, but the original VFE Focus was an idea I had that Peter turned into a pedal for me. Later he made some improvements and that was the Standout.
All it's supposed to do is allow you to trim your desired amount of low and high end from the signal before the amp, and provide a clean boost too if you want it. The whole idea is that it's subtle (though extreme settings are... extreme), so that you can dial-in precisely the low end response and twang of your glorious sounding amp without skewing the midrange as most boost pedals do. If it doesn't sound like it's doing much, you're doing it right.

P.S. The mix knob was an idea Peter had. I always used it set 100% wet.
 
Nolly said:
I haven't tried Henning's version, but the original VFE Focus was an idea I had that Peter turned into a pedal for me. Later he made some improvements and that was the Standout.
All it's supposed to do is allow you to trim your desired amount of low and high end from the signal before the amp, and provide a clean boost too if you want it. The whole idea is that it's subtle (though extreme settings are... extreme), so that you can dial-in precisely the low end response and twang of your glorious sounding amp without skewing the midrange as most boost pedals do. If it doesn't sound like it's doing much, you're doing it right.

P.S. The mix knob was an idea Peter had. I always used it set 100% wet.
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So the plebs that don't like this pedal really don't even like their own tone.??
 
Nolly said:
I haven't tried Henning's version, but the original VFE Focus was an idea I had that Peter turned into a pedal for me. Later he made some improvements and that was the Standout.
All it's supposed to do is allow you to trim your desired amount of low and high end from the signal before the amp, and provide a clean boost too if you want it.
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I still use the Focus since the extra frequency range on the Standout were useless to me. Focus was the first time I actually liked a boost pedal. Since I already cherry picked my pickup/amp combinations, more mids or extra clipping are the last things I need. I just want to cut some lows.
 
Nolly said:
I haven't tried Henning's version, but the original VFE Focus was an idea I had that Peter turned into a pedal for me. Later he made some improvements and that was the Standout.
All it's supposed to do is allow you to trim your desired amount of low and high end from the signal before the amp, and provide a clean boost too if you want it. The whole idea is that it's subtle (though extreme settings are... extreme), so that you can dial-in precisely the low end response and twang of your glorious sounding amp without skewing the midrange as most boost pedals do. If it doesn't sound like it's doing much, you're doing it right.

P.S. The mix knob was an idea Peter had. I always used it set 100% wet.
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this clears things up, ill give it another shot
 
Nolly said:
Could be? Or maybe are simply expecting the Standout to be something like a tubescreamer when it's nothing of the sort.
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I'll admit that I expected it to behave sort of like a tubescreamer. After all, it was advertised as a mid booster. Once I figured out on my own that its just a clean boost pedal with the adjustable hi/low pass filters w/ adjustable slope, I treated it as such and it still yielded me with less than inspiring results. A vanilla sounding clean boost. I like my OD pedals to add color, that's all. I'm fine with others enjoying the pedal. I just didn't get all the fuss and praise it received.
 
PurityS.L.G said:
I'll admit that I expected it to behave sort of like a tubescreamer. After all, it was advertised as a mid booster. Once I figured out on my own that its just a clean boost pedal with the adjustable hi/low pass filters w/ adjustable slope, I treated it as such and it still yielded me with less than inspiring results. A vanilla sounding clean boost. I like my OD pedals to add color, that's all. I'm fine with others enjoying the pedal. I just didn't get all the fuss and praise it received.
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That makes complete sense and is of course totally fine. I use a tubescreamer or similar pedal for boosting most of the time, but when the focus/standout is the right tool for the job I think it’s a pretty damn great problem solver.
 
Nolly said:
That makes complete sense and is of course totally fine. I use a tubescreamer or similar pedal for boosting most of the time, but when the focus/standout is the right tool for the job I think it’s a pretty damn great problem solver.
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Agreed. It’s not the be all end all of pedals, but I love what it can do. ?
 
Standout and Focus are fun pedals. They have gobs of output and can give results somewhat similar to a Tubescreamer if you get very aggressive with the low pass frequency.

It's very flexible, but that means you can easily set it to sound pretty meh or even bad. But I could set a Standout to be very hard to tell apart from an SD-1, OD808, or 33 depending on where you set the knobs. But at its heart, it's just boosting without adding any color itself, and ultimately I like the bit of color you get from the SD-1, OD808, 33 type pedals.
 
PurityS.L.G said:
I'll admit that I expected it to behave sort of like a tubescreamer. After all, it was advertised as a mid booster. Once I figured out on my own that its just a clean boost pedal with the adjustable hi/low pass filters w/ adjustable slope, I treated it as such and it still yielded me with less than inspiring results. A vanilla sounding clean boost. I like my OD pedals to add color, that's all. I'm fine with others enjoying the pedal. I just didn't get all the fuss and praise it received.
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When I first got the Standout I thought it was a piece of shit. Tried it for 10 minutes and thought it was terrible. Then I really sat down with it and used my ears only. At that point I realized what it was and what it can do. I really liked it at that point. Keep in mind I'm not a boost/OD pedal guy, but I seem to have a lot of them. lol
 
I got a few VFE pedals including the v1 Standout and v2 Standout. I liked v1 better, v2 seemed a bit less transparent to me... Its been awhile since I actually used them though...
 
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