VH1 tone quest is it finally solved ?!

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I continued my research into Van halen 1 tone.

"Eddie Van Halen mentioned using two Marshall amp heads during the recording of Van Halen's debut album in a 1978 interview with Young Guitar magazine. While he confirmed the use of two amps, he did not provide specific details about the second amplifier."

in 2015 on the metro forums as those were already dead someone pointed to a picture of Pat badger who has been to 5150 studios once and he got a picture with the frankie and the amps that recorded Van halen 1...

Well guess what ?

Eddie used the josé load box to get a line out signal of his 68 plex he then reamped it with a 100w master PA. That was the key how he got his first album tone.

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No wonder no one is able to do it exactly with the same amount of punch and bass even with tons of mods.

The variac and the 6ca7 are almost useless it was pure myth. Eddie used the variac to make his tubes last longer.

Moreover what really mattered were the signal chains and his 3 eq. 1mxr in front of the main amp, a second and third one between the load box and the solid state power amp. The main amp probably also had a one wire mod that would leave the amp entirely stock. José introduced eddie with that settup.

here is a guy that extensively researched the topic while citing reliable sources :

http://www.amptone.com/eddievanhalenrig.htm

next step probably building a 2003 Master PA a load box and testing it.

Those Master PA will see their prices going up by a long shot if this is confirmed and they are already rare and expensive x).
 
I continued my research into Van halen 1 tone.

"Eddie Van Halen mentioned using two Marshall amp heads during the recording of Van Halen's debut album in a 1978 interview with Young Guitar magazine. While he confirmed the use of two amps, he did not provide specific details about the second amplifier."

in 2015 on the metro forums as those were already dead someone pointed to a picture of Pat badger who has been to 5150 studios once and he got a picture with the frankie and the amps that recorded Van halen 1...

Well guess what ?

Eddie used the josé load box to get a line out signal of his 68 plex he then reamped it with a 100w master PA. That was the key how he got his first album tone.

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No wonder no one is able to do it exactly with the same amount of punch and bass even with tons of mods.

The variac and the 6ca7 are almost useless it was pure myth. Eddie used the variac to make his tubes last longer.

Moreover what really mattered were the signal chains and his 3 eq. 1mxr in front of the main amp, a second and third one between the load box and the solid state power amp. The main amp probably also had a one wire mod that would leave the amp entirely stock. José introduced eddie with that settup.

here is a guy that extensively researched the topic while citing reliable sources :

http://www.amptone.com/eddievanhalenrig.htm

next step probably building a 2003 Master PA a load box and testing it.

Those Master PA will see their prices going up by a long shot if this is confirmed and they are already rare and expensive x).


I and others have posted that load box vid over the years.. it gives an idea of how it could be done but isn't any better than just cranking the plexi on a variac. Would make sense for volume control but i've seen other guys come much closer than what is in this vid. Al Estrada on this forum has posted a few vids of him slaving through another Marshall or JCM combo and that sounded really good. You gotta also be able to play the material and that's probably the most important. Deraps with a pod for example, will still sound like VH. I could have the rig above and still not sound like an EVH clone.

The GE-10 is def a secret sauce for any good recipe though. Mine sounds great in front of all my amps.
 
I thought you said it was definitely a Jose Modded Marshall and we were all stupid for not hearing it?

The entire slaving setup was covered by Robin L around 2008/2009 on the metro forum if people want to read about it, Robin L even tells you how the Marshall SL and Super Basses were EQ'd and how they were used, was the Marshall PA used? Anything is possible.....it's probably in Ed's 5150 studio for a reason. I also posted the Pat Badger pic in one of your Jose is GOD threads.

Old news brother.........................

Ed still got great tones using Superleads, Super Basses, Musicman HD130 and 65 amps, Vox amps as slave amps.

Al Estrada slaves a stock variaced Marshall Superlead into a Suhr Reactive load box then into the effect returns of two Marshall JCM800 heads each head driving two cabinets for the latest DLR tour............
 
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It's not the tone, it's the songs and playing..
If fatfuck fingers Phil played 3 blind mice with that tone, nobody would give a shit..
Truth be told, that tone is thin and scratchy.
Fight me!
 
I am absolutely dumbfounded at the amount of posts dedicated to this.
well it's fun and interesting for some, but I kind of agree. I hear many guys on youtube that get extremely close to Ed's tone with far less complicated set-ups. I'm not one of those "tone is all in the hands" guys necessarily, but in this case what accounts for that missing 10% - 20% is EVH's playing. The way he holds the pick, his attack and swing is what makes it happen. Just my opinion.
 
My buddy can sound more like VH1 with his little Yamaha practice amp that I could with Eddie’s real rig. Gear is maybe 5% of the puzzle
 
I am absolutely dumbfounded at the amount of posts dedicated to this.

It's insane, it's on the level of 34 year old white women with taylor swift, only it's the literal exact same conversations happening over and over, year after year, like groundhog's day happening every single second of every single day for centuries

Seriously the reamp setup has been common knowledge forever, and doesn't have a ton to do with the core tone IMO
 
I thought you said it was definitely a Jose Modded Marshall and we were all stupid for not hearing it?

The entire slaving setup was covered by Robin L around 2008/2009 on the metro forum if people want to read about it, Robin L even tells you how the Marshall SL and Super Basses were EQ'd and how they were used, was the Marshall PA used? Anything is possible.....it's probably in Ed's 5150 studio for a reason. I also posted the Pat Badger pic in one of your Jose is GOD threads.

Old news brother.........................

Ed still got great tones using Superleads, Super Basses, Musicman HD130 and 65 amps, Vox amps as slave amps.

Al Estrada slaves a stock variaced Marshall Superlead into a Suhr Reactive load box then into the effect returns of two Marshall JCM800 heads each head driving two cabinets for the latest DLR tour............

the R/T mod that mike audette makes is a one wire mod that was probably done by josé inside eddies amp. If you search a little bit you'll see how Mike audette does his mod. It looks exactly how josé implements the extra gain stages by using the voltage dividers.



the load box is also josé's idea. the pot in the back was also probably a master volume made by josé. Not a lar mar or classic ppimv. he could have put it closer to the phase inverter why putting it near the preamp ? Only the josé master is done near the preamp. So you have a one wire mod, a master volume, a load box, output transformer and choke changes by josé. Yes it was modded by him even if the PA was the final ingredient.
 
The RT mod is nothing like the standard Jose mod.

Did you even listen to Al Estrada's slave setup?
 
The RT mod is nothing like the standard Jose mod.

Did you even listen to Al Estrada's slave setup?
The RT mod uses the voltage divider resistors as josé does with his extra gain stages. Not my fault if you never saw how josé does his parallel extra gain stage. It is the same way but instead of adding he cascades already existing gain stages. There are multiple one wire mods they all sound different.
 
The Vox thing is mentioned above but here is a Marshall slaved into an AC15. Also does " that thing". For me it's likely just wide open where they had the cab in iso and likely load boxed and slaved if VH1 had them all in the same room. But honestly, just being close enough is good for me,

 
I understand alot of this may be new revelations to you as you progress down your VH1 journey but all this ground has been plowed since 2005-20010 from the Metro forum and other places because alot of people like Al Estrada, Pete Thorn, Rob Galpin, Rockstah, BMF5150, Ralle, and many others including myself did the experiments and chronicled them for posterity nearly 20 years ago. We all mentioned the slaving to you in your other Jose RT threads and now you come back on here like it's new found information. FWIW the Marshall SLP in Mark Camerons video is totally stock with the EQ up front.

Al Estrada's great sounding 2025 slaving clips only further bolster the probability of slaving on the 78 tour as Ed continued to slave for most of the rest of his live tours both with other Superleads and H&H mosfet power amps and it seems Ed used what he used live in the studio and that probably applied to the recording of VH1. Slaving works great but just about any good Superlead variaced into the right cabinet or IR setup will get you there if you have the chops as Kapo Polenton pointed out.
Jacob Deraps brand new Marshall SLP probably with Vietnam transformers.




This link is from 2006.

http://www.amptone.com/eddievanhalenrig.htm

Enjoy your VH1 journey it's alot of fun to hear all these different methods for yourself!:yes::2thumbsup:
 

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