VH1 tone quest is it finally solved ?!

[DanTravis62]

Funny how much I sound like me through virtually anything.....a guy plugged into my 3rd Power rig recently and sounded just like him and ya know for about a second there I second guessed it hahahaha

The chase is not exactly futile, but it is.

Denny Diaz of Steely Dan fame recently mentioned that when they tracked two guitars or harmonies they always had the same guy do it, regardless if there were two guys on the session, because all of the inflections and phrasing. Denny Diaz playing Larry Carltons rig still sounds just like Denny Diaz.

It depends, all the small things and details in the leads certainly are

But if I re-amp the same power chord riff DI into 4 different amps, with the speakers and signal chain the same, I guarantee you - not only will you be able to tell they are different, 50% of members here will be able to guess the amps used

 

[harddriver]

There's no such thing as a 'magic Marshall', pickup, seceret mod, or choke mod haha...EVH would have sounded the same with any heallthy dimed Superlead, was in his hands, end of story..

I used to run my 68 into a 400 watt load box and then reamp with my 72 SL as per the Robin L instructions and it sounded just as good as a dedicated tube power amp maybe a little more aggressive but it worked just fine. I also ran a Peavey Classic 50/50 for years. I have also tried the Musicman HD130 and Fender Bandmaster as a slave amps and those also sounded equally as good, they all impart slightly different attributes to the tone but they all work.

These days I usually run W/D/W with my Matrix Gt1000FX but every now and then I break out the Musicman HD130 just because. I find the low end hits a little better using the SL than with my Matrix.

Do you find the JCM800 Marshalls you are using to slave with a bit better than when you where using the Matrix GT1000's a coupe of years ago as power amps?

 

[harddriver]

Honestly, you can get really close with lots of different gear, as long as you can play it. Every piece contributes. I'd say the greenbacks are one of the most essential parts though.

I'm convinced that 100% of people who think there is a "magical secret that no one knows yet, and I'm gonna find it" are just bad/beginner players who don't know what they don't know.

All true.

I find the gear can make or break things depending on how obsessed one is about the subject. All of us on Metro were back around 2005-2010 and most of us reached the stock Marshall 100 watt or close to stock Friedman specs conclusions after all those experiments....cascade, no cascades, Jose mods, slaving and such.

I think it's great younger or newer people are going back to what we did nearly 20 years ago and investigating but the information is not new. I accept and embrace the Stock Marshall theory, it works and has been proven to work over and over by a multitude of You Tube guys.

Was all that experimentation fun? Hell yeah it was fun.

 

[PiggySmallz]

It depends, all the small things and details in the leads certainly are

But if I re-amp the same power chord riff DI into 4 different amps, with the speakers and signal chain the same, I guarantee you - not only will you be able to tell they are different, 50% of members here will be able to guess the amps used

Even better, if you blind fold them they can smell what color the guitar is

 

[harddriver]

There's no such thing as a 'magic Marshall', pickup, seceret mod, or choke mod haha...EVH would have sounded the same with any heallthy dimed Superlead, was in his hands, end of story..

Here's proof of your statement Al..........Ed playing in the warmup trailer in England on the 1984 tour with his Gallien Kruger 250 ML amp.

 

[Amp_chaser]

It's insane, it's on the level of 34 year old white women with taylor swift, only it's the literal exact same conversations happening over and over, year after year, like groundhog's day happening every single second of every single day for centuries

Seriously the reamp setup has been common knowledge forever, and doesn't have a ton to do with the core tone IMO

for those who said it was never modded :

modded 68 - mxr eq - schaffer storm - guitar with super 70's 25.5 inch instead of the 24.75 original ones + pulltech and reverb plugins added over it.



i had bad recording gear and was recording my amp with the master volume at 2. Now that i have a load box i can record it at full volume.

 

[DanTravis62]

for those who said it was never modded :

modded 68 - mxr eq - schaffer storm - guitar with super 70's 25.5 inch instead of the 24.75 original ones + pulltech and reverb plugins added over it.



i had bad recording gear and was recording my amp with the master volume at 2. Now that i have a load box i can record it at full volume.

That sounds like EVH style reverb/fx over a non EVH style tone. It doesn't have the bloom on the lower notes and palm mutes, and the the fizz is too symmetrical and even sounding.

The fx (except for whatever that god awful scratching noise and the boombox eq) are very EVH-esque though

 

[SpiderWars]

for those who said it was never modded :

modded 68 - mxr eq - schaffer storm - guitar with super 70's 25.5 inch instead of the 24.75 original ones + pulltech and reverb plugins added over it.



i had bad recording gear and was recording my amp with the master volume at 2. Now that i have a load box i can record it at full volume.

Not even close.

 

[Amp_chaser]

Not even close.

i'll try with a marshall PA slaved in.

 

[rsm]

 

[Amp_chaser]

Not even close.

i need a second 10 band eq to test something. I believe Eddie had the 3k slider completely down on his boss ge 10eq

 

[Philhouse]

for those who said it was never modded :

modded 68 - mxr eq - schaffer storm - guitar with super 70's 25.5 inch instead of the 24.75 original ones + pulltech and reverb plugins added over it.



i had bad recording gear and was recording my amp with the master volume at 2. Now that i have a load box i can record it at full volume.

When you listen to that clip, what do you perceive is the main issue?

 

[thegame]

for those who said it was never modded :

modded 68 - mxr eq - schaffer storm - guitar with super 70's 25.5 inch instead of the 24.75 original ones + pulltech and reverb plugins added over it.



i had bad recording gear and was recording my amp with the master volume at 2. Now that i have a load box i can record it at full volume.

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