VHT D412 eminence p50 vs V30

[PeteLaramee]

... but to my ears the D412 is a perfect balance between remaining tight and also filling the room around it. The FB412 is very directional and very tight, with the D412 being somewhere between the FB and a traditional rear loaded cab when it comes to tightness and room sound dissipation.

Yes, I completely agree with this statement Mr Savage.

 

[highgainer]

Since you went with the KK amp I'd go with a Marshall JCM800 cab with G12-T75's myself. I like the P50E's in my VHT FB cab paired with a VHT 50 CL head,

I understand you have a VHT FB412 and a JCM 800, right ? I think you know my next question
Was it a nice idea to pair the 800 with the FB ?
Also, is the Marshall MR1960 B ( G12T/75 ) capable of nice relaxed bass and stage filling high gain tones ?

 

[highgainer]

... but to my ears the D412 is a perfect balance between remaining tight and also filling the room around it. The FB412 is very directional and very tight, with the D412 being somewhere between the FB and a traditional rear loaded cab when it comes to tightness and room sound dissipation.

Yes, I completely agree with this statement Mr Savage.

If the D412 is tight yet with nice sound dissipation then it's awesome! The Marshall KK is a tight yet juicy amp, from my understanding it's not sand tight, thus I think it should pair well with the D412, as the FB seems to be be overkill ? I'm just speculating and building assumptions though

 

[highgainer]

Since you went with the KK amp I'd go with a Marshall JCM800 cab with G12-T75's myself. I like the P50E's in my VHT FB cab paired with a VHT 50 CL head,

There is an early 80s (cup input jack) checker 1960b with (what SHOULD be, have not verified) old G12T-75s on GC online for $649 iirc. They just added the pic yesterday/today.

I thought what if I pull the trigger and get the d412, then if I ever don't like the P50e with the Marshall JCM Kerry King then I could simply get a pair of G12H-75 and mix them with the P50e, from all the reviews and comments I gathered VHT cabs are engineered with care and built to last, so I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to get a d412 for a reasonable price then swap the speakers if they don't pair well with the Marshall kk. the idea is to take benefit of both VHT built quality and Celestions! Your suggestion/opinion is the most welcome!

 

[SpiderWars]

Since you went with the KK amp I'd go with a Marshall JCM800 cab with G12-T75's myself. I like the P50E's in my VHT FB cab paired with a VHT 50 CL head,

There is an early 80s (cup input jack) checker 1960b with (what SHOULD be, have not verified) old G12T-75s on GC online for $649 iirc. They just added the pic yesterday/today.

I thought what if I pull the trigger and get the d412, then if I ever don't like the P50e with the Marshall JCM Kerry King then I could simply get a pair of G12H-75 and mix them with the P50e, from all the reviews and comments I gathered VHT cabs are engineered with care and built to last, so I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to get a d412 for a reasonable price then swap the speakers if they don't pair well with the Marshall kk. the idea is to take benefit of both VHT built quality and Celestions! Your suggestion/opinion is the most welcome!

I think you got a good plan. As much as we all try to explain tones you just never really know until you try it yourself. I use the sage advice here as guidance to create some sort of focus and eliminate non-players, but knowing that ultimately I'm gonna just have to try it myself.

 

[highgainer]

Since you went with the KK amp I'd go with a Marshall JCM800 cab with G12-T75's myself. I like the P50E's in my VHT FB cab paired with a VHT 50 CL head,

There is an early 80s (cup input jack) checker 1960b with (what SHOULD be, have not verified) old G12T-75s on GC online for $649 iirc. They just added the pic yesterday/today.

I thought what if I pull the trigger and get the d412, then if I ever don't like the P50e with the Marshall JCM Kerry King then I could simply get a pair of G12H-75 and mix them with the P50e, from all the reviews and comments I gathered VHT cabs are engineered with care and built to last, so I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to get a d412 for a reasonable price then swap the speakers if they don't pair well with the Marshall kk. the idea is to take benefit of both VHT built quality and Celestions! Your suggestion/opinion is the most welcome!

I think you got a good plan. As much as we all try to explain tones you just never really know until you try it yourself. I use the sage advice here as guidance to create some sort of focus and eliminate non-players, but knowing that ultimately I'm gonna just have to try it myself.

You sum it all! I'm a firm believer that no matter how hard we try to translate tone into words, it just will not work! It's until you see the gear in flesh and you stand in front to hear it that you realize you did the right choice (or not!)! Yet it's always safe and nice to refer back to the seasoned well experienced players/users for some words of wisdom! So far you are the fourth person who advised me to take a look into G12H-75 since most users believe that the mids of the p50e won't get along with Marshalls wether they are EL34 or KT88 like the KK I got.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

Since you went with the KK amp I'd go with a Marshall JCM800 cab with G12-T75's myself. I like the P50E's in my VHT FB cab paired with a VHT 50 CL head,

I understand you have a VHT FB412 and a JCM 800, right ? I think you know my next question
Was it a nice idea to pair the 800 with the FB ?
Also, is the Marshall MR1960 B ( G12T/75 ) capable of nice relaxed bass and stage filling high gain tones ?

I don't pair my JCM800 cab with a VHT amp...I use a JCM800 2203 with it and its perfect match.

I keep the FB 4x12 with P50E's with the VHT 50 CL head and it works out extremely well.

I don't have a 1960B (Have the 1960A) so I can't comment on the bass response.

I'm an 80-90's melodic, hard rock, metal and neo-classical kinda player

 

[Racerxrated]

Agree ^^ with most here. Just go with speakers that are well known for working in Marshalls: Greenbacks, G12 65s, T75s etc. No matter what tubes a Marshall has in her, it's still a Marshall.

 

[dirtyfunkg]

FWIW...

I have a FB 412. One of the P50E's blew in it, so I went with a G12-K100 and P50E X pattern. It sounds great with my Sig X and D-Moll. It sounded TERRIBLE with my 2203, and the 1987XL I had briefly. My Genz Benz G-Flex loaded with K100's was my favorite cab with the Marshalls for the cabs I had at the time. I'm sure my current Marshall cab would have been the best overall, though.

Anyways, the P50E's did play well with the Marshalls. But, as mentioned by everyone else, the cab itself is built incredibly well, and they are a great used value purchase even if you're just going to replace the speakers. I'm strongly considering replacing the remaining P50E's with K100's since they just work so damned well for high gain.