VHT/Fryette Ultralead cab help needed

[espquade]

So I decided to pick up anther Ultralead as it's been a few years since I had a bunch of VHT stuff, anyway I currently only have a Cornford Kotzen front loaded 4x12 loaded with English V 30's and while it sounds pretty good tonally it is a bit too tight with the amp so my choices are...

Fryette Deliverance 4x12... Still a tight cab, but the sound is a bit more 3D with this one, although still debating about those P50 speakers???

Bogner Uberkab Front loaded ... and yes it will still be tight , but i believe it will have a bit more bloom as the Cornford is a pine cab and it's projection is so tight it only works well with certain amps .

Mesa Traditional 4x12.... Very curious about this as I have heard their V30's are voiced differently and a rear loaded cab could be a better option with the Ultralead's rather dry quick attack which I do like , but would like to get just a bit more bloom to the notes...

Any one have some experience with this?

Thanks

 

[borninwinter]

I have an ultra lead also. I used to have a FatBottom cab with P50E. Not a fan of the P50Es in either Deliverance or FatBottom. I've also tried Bogner Standard cab with Chinese V30s, Mesa cabs, and I have a 2 Notes Torpedo which has Fryette (FatBottom and Deliverance) and Mesa cab sims. I think the best bet is the standard recto cab. The Mesa V30s are indeed a different model than the standard Celestion V30s (check different model numbers on the sticker that is on the side of the magnet). It's not overly boomy with the ultralead and opens up the amp a little bit.

 

[espquade]

Thanks for the info.

I have owned so many cabs over the years, but never a Mesa and have heard their English V30's are different in that they are voiced a bit more in the lower mids although I have heard it is minor, but some claim they really can hear and feel the difference and that is one option I may really have to consider.

 

[Kelly]

I'd go with the Deliverance cab. The P50Es are ok after they've been broken in (it takes awhile). If Im not mistaken, Fryette and Bogner both have their cabs outsourced by the same company.

 

[borninwinter]

Thanks for the info.

I have owned so many cabs over the years, but never a Mesa and have heard their English V30's are different in that they are voiced a bit more in the lower mids although I have heard it is minor, but some claim they really can hear and feel the difference and that is one option I may really have to consider.

It's actually a pretty noticeable difference.

Here's more a post with some sound samples:

http://forum.grailtone.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=60388

 

[John4021]

I have always championed "VHT amp + VHT cab= tone bliss.
Had a V30 loaded Bogner 4x12 along side 2 4x12
Fatbotttoms.
No contest, the FB's won
I owned a Ultralead & a Deliverance120
Congrats on picking up the UL

 

[maddnotez]

IMO in regards to P50 they are so hard to decide on.

I used a D412. At first I hated the P50. Ended up going with v30x75.

The cab was too 3d as you call it for me so I sold it. But before I let it go I put the P50 back in and was stunned of how good it sounded. Very weird because before a year of the 30x75 I hated the P50 alone.

Last note: I ran the P50 cab and a v30x75 cab as a full stack with my 100cl when I could and it was pure bliss.

I perfect compliment, very open, very brutal I absolutely loved that setup but a full stackwas iimpractical and I couldn't use it often.

 

[moronmountain]

I'd go with the Deliverance cab. The P50Es are ok after they've been broken in (it takes awhile). If Im not mistaken, Fryette and Bogner both have their cabs outsourced by the same company.

I don't know if that is true or not, but they are built COMPLETELY different. The Bogner cabs are basically a 60's style Marshall cab with 3/4" plywood instead of 5/8", but are tounge/groove jointed instead of finger jointed. The Fryette cabs are built more similar to an 80's style Hiwatt cab, and are a sealed back design.

I like my Deliverance cab with my Ultralead, but I have a 5 pre-amp tube version that is not "quite" as tight as the 1st and 3rd versions of the amp. Having said that, I am still wanting to get a Fatbottom cab for mine to tighten it up even more. I am a fan of the P50E speakers FWIW.

 

[locoed]

I run a Mesa Recto cab with my Ultra lead, the Mesa has the old V-30's 70 watt.
It actually took a little time to dial in a tone I was happy with, unlike other amps
I have, not saying it's a bad thing, but can be a bummer at first.
However the low end is overwhelming, I turn the bass down and it was still pronounced.
I like my Bogner cab with the Ultra but I have 2 greenies and 2 hemp cone speakers
Somebody made for me, 80 watt.

 

[borninwinter]

Here's a post from Steven Fryette himself (reply #4 on the thread) discussing Mesa V30s vs standard V30s vs P50E. Basically he says that he prefers Mesa V30s, but not in Mesa's cabs. V30s used to be standard in Fryette/VHT Cabs, and they tried to get their own OEM V30s line like Mesa when Celestion switched to the current (Chinese) design, but Celestion backed out of the deal. As a result, they went to Eminence, and the P50Es were the result. But, the P50Es were a design they optimized to their cab designs, not to their amp designs.

http://www.fryette-users.com/forums/sho ... #post24126

 

[Ventura]

I think Fryette cabs are some of the best in the world and still scratch my head as to why they don't get the press they deserve. The tech behind the P50E is what it is, Steve Fryette knows tone and sonic science. Hell, when Axe-Palace was offering these speakers as after market for purchase, he was sold out in a matter of a week with a waitlist that went scary long. So there's obviously something "to" these speakers and most certainly the cabs.

I've had the FB and the Deliverance. I liked the Deliverance more. It's more controlled. But hey, YMMV.

 

[espquade]

Thanks for all the replies!

I wish I had the chance to compare a Bogner uber cab front loaded with a Fryette Deliverance cab , but sadly even here in Denver nobody seems to have any in stock that I know of...

 

[moronmountain]

Thanks for all the replies!

I wish I had the chance to compare a Bogner uber cab front loaded with a Fryette Deliverance cab , but sadly even here in Denver nobody seems to have any in stock that I know of...

They are not the same animal. The front loaded Uberkab is (I was told anyways) exactly like every other Bogner cab, except the speakers are simply loaded from the front, which tends to make the cab a bit brighter/tighter sounding. The back isn't sealed like a Fryette cab. On my Deliverance cab, the speakers are mounted on MDF instead of plywood, which I think is part of it's sound, and it sounds superb. I was told that the only difference between the D cab and the FB cab is that the D cab has slightly less bracing to let the cab sound a tad more open/loose. I'm not sure if this is 100% correct, but I have no reason not to believe it.

It's funny that many cabinet makers make their boxes completely out of birch plywood like the old Marshall cabs, (the newer Marshalls have a MDF back panel, and have for many, many years), but then they put sound dampening material on the back panel to warm up the sound. I think this is the case with Bogner as well.

The main reason I bought a Fryette cab at all for my Ultralead is because my Marshall cabs, (and yes even an old 60's cab with wood back, metal handles, etc.) would fart out when pushed really hard if I had alot of lows going on. My Fryette cab won't fart out at all, and I'm assuming a big part of it is the true sealed back that has less of a chance to vibrate. Obviously much of what I'm saying are my assumptions, but they make sense to me, and in the end, the Fryette cab works the best with my Ultralead.

You said that you thought your UL was too tight with a FB cab, so maybe in the end you don't really like tight amps? Fryette amps are some of, if not the tightest amps around. Just something to think about. Fryettes are my favorite amps by a long shot, but they are not for everyone.