VHT SigX availability

[Bob Savage]

Maybe not. For that kind of money I expect a certain level of quality in construction. I haven't seen anything that indicates these components will not be chassis mounted, but when (if) the amp actually arrives in stores I'll know.

I'll go with Steve Fryette's experience, expertise and build quality track record over worrying about things most people who sweat this kind of stuff know little about.

As far as I can tell, the cork smells very good...

 

[Bob Savage]

Is that real??

That's what Steve was referencing in the quote I posted above Chris' post.

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

That's great!!

 

[Greazygeo]

Maybe not. For that kind of money I expect a certain level of quality in construction. I haven't seen anything that indicates these components will not be chassis mounted, but when (if) the amp actually arrives in stores I'll know.

They'll be built like VHT builds their amps. Whether that is acceptable to you will be for you to decide. I never had any issues with their construction, so I doubt I will with the new stuff either......

 

[guitar_god123456]

One additional item from Steve:

"And....pots, jacks and power tube sockets are secured to both the
chassis and PCB just like we've done on all the other models since our
inception - as noted on the Deliverance board "

 

[Odin]

There's nothing wrong with a well designed and constructed PCB, and I'm sure VHT build great amps, but if I'm paying those kind of prices I expect to buy quality and craftsmanship that matches the price. If you charge top dollar you should offer top quality, not assembly line mass produced quality.

I've hand built amps before and the amount of labor that goes into a Dr Z versus a Two Rock are identical, but the Two Rock costs 4 times as much. You're paying for name only, and i don't care to do that.

This is the highest quality type of craftsmanship I expect for amps that cost $2000+...not because it sounds better, but because if I'm paying for handmade top quality amps that are overbuilt to last many lifetimes i want to receive what I'm paying for.

 

[Bob Savage]

The solution is simple Odin, don't buy a VHT.

Love the 1:1 scale pics. Thanks, I have been enlightened. <burp>

 

[PeteLaramee]

There's nothing wrong with a well designed and constructed PCB, and I'm sure VHT build great amps, but if I'm paying those kind of prices I expect to buy quality and craftsmanship that matches the price. If you charge top dollar you should offer top quality, not assembly line mass produced quality.

I've hand built amps before and the amount of labor that goes into a Dr Z versus a Two Rock are identical, but the Two Rock costs 4 times as much. You're paying for name only, and i don't care to do that.

This is the highest quality type of craftsmanship I expect for amps that cost $2000+...not because it sounds better, but because if I'm paying for handmade top quality amps that are overbuilt to last many lifetimes i want to receive what I'm paying for.

But, you know we're talking about a 3-channel amp with a bigillion features and is still going to cost less than a Marshall JVM. If hand-wired there would be a trunk of spaghetti like the H&K Triamp MKII. Oh yea and the price tag of one too. I'm going to end it there, because I don't want to get into the ptp vs pcb quality arguement. You can do an hcaf search and find plenty of those.

 

[Greazygeo]

There's nothing wrong with a well designed and constructed PCB, and I'm sure VHT build great amps, but if I'm paying those kind of prices I expect to buy quality and craftsmanship that matches the price. If you charge top dollar you should offer top quality, not assembly line mass produced quality.

I've hand built amps before and the amount of labor that goes into a Dr Z versus a Two Rock are identical, but the Two Rock costs 4 times as much. You're paying for name only, and i don't care to do that.

This is the highest quality type of craftsmanship I expect for amps that cost $2000+...not because it sounds better, but because if I'm paying for handmade top quality amps that are overbuilt to last many lifetimes i want to receive what I'm paying for.

So you'll pay $2000+ for a simple one channel handwired PTP, amp but not a complex three channel with tons of features PCB amp?

 

[Bob Savage]

So you'll pay $2000+ for a simple one channel handwired PTP, amp but not a complex three channel with tons of features PCB amp?

I'll save Odin the time: "... if I'm paying those kind of prices I expect to buy quality and craftsmanship that matches the price."

 

[Odin]

I'm not arguing for PTP vs PCB, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a good PCB. But it's much cheaper to build a PCB amp since the labor is cut drastically, and if the pots and tube sockets aren't hand wired then the labor is cut even more drastically.

 

[ratter]

This shouldn't really need to be said, but there's more expense in making amps than just the labor.

 

[Greazygeo]

So you'll pay $2000+ for a simple one channel handwired PTP, amp but not a complex three channel with tons of features PCB amp?

I'll save Odin the time: "... if I'm paying those kind of prices I expect to buy quality and craftsmanship that matches the price."

 

[Greazygeo]

I'm not arguing for PTP vs PCB, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a good PCB. But it's much cheaper to build a PCB amp since the labor is cut drastically, and if the pots and tube sockets aren't hand wired then the labor is cut even more drastically.

Are you sure thats always the case?

 

[philb]

PTP vs. PCB makes no difference to me. There, I said it. I feel better.

 

[Odin]

I'm not arguing for PTP vs PCB, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a good PCB. But it's much cheaper to build a PCB amp since the labor is cut drastically, and if the pots and tube sockets aren't hand wired then the labor is cut even more drastically.

Are you sure thats always the case?

Unless the company either (a) is really bad at managing their assembly process for PCB amps or (b) somehow achieves a really low labor cost for hand wiring the amps (maybe if they were hand wired in a third-world country).

Sticking a few PCB's into a chassis and connecting the ribbon cables does not take as long as hand mounting and wiring all of the tube sockets and pots. That's pretty obvious. Given a similar labor cost the PCB amp would be cheaper to assemble.

Assuming that VHT is assembled in the USA then they should be cheaper than similarly featured amps that are built with similar quality components but have chassis mounted pots and tubes.

An amp is worth what consumers will pay for it, so I'm not saying the VHT is overpriced. I'm saying I won't pay $2K+ for a PCB amp with no chassis mounted tubes and pots because I feel that at that price I'd be paying for name only.

A new Charvel "San Dimas" isn't worth anywhere near the going price. It's an inexpensive body, a decent neck, one humbucker and a volume pot and a Floyd Rose on a bolt-neck guitar. Someone who has assembled a guitar before can take that guitar from it's pile of parts to a complete working guitar in under 2 hours. Add up the cost of the parts, the cost of labor to assemble it, and the cost of finishing the body (let's say a solid color for the sake of discussion). Where does that price come from? You're paying for name, nothing more. You can buy a similar quality instrument with similar features but without the "San Dimas Charvel" mystique for half the money.

I'll wait for the VHT Sig X to hit the used market and if the amps aren't known to be problematic and the prices drop under $1500 I'll snatch one up. I love my PCB amps and my turret board amps and my PTP amps all the same, but I don't buy hype, I buy amps.

 

[Odin]

I admit that I love looking at "PTP" amps (even if they're not true PTP) like in the picture above. That's a work of art to me. Just beautiful... I have that Mojave Peacemaker on the way and I can't wait to open it up and look at everything. The stuff from Roccaforte, Mojave, and many others are just nice looking all around.

With that said, I'm still not convinced that PTP amps sound better or are more durable than high quality PCB amps from VHT, Soldano, Bogner, Diezel, Mesa, etc...[/quote][/quote]


Anyone who claims that PTP or turret board is better sounding or more reliable than a high quality PCB amp is talking BS. There are advantages to turret board amps (for me) in my opinion, but there is nothing inherently bad or negative about a good PCB amp. I've owned (and still do own some) amps from Splawn, VHT, Soldano, Bogner, Diezel and Mesa and they were all well made and reliable.

 

[Bob Savage]

Assuming that VHT is assembled in the USA then they should be cheaper than similarly featured amps that are built with similar quality components but have chassis mounted pots and tubes.

How much do 3 channel PTP amps with a footswitch and comparable features to the Six:X cost?

 

[Digital Jams]

PTP vs PCB bullcrap.

NON-Electronics EE blabber with a hint of sniffer.

 

[Odin]

Assuming that VHT is assembled in the USA then they should be cheaper than similarly featured amps that are built with similar quality components but have chassis mounted pots and tubes.

How much do 3 channel PTP amps with a footswitch and comparable features to the Six:X cost?

What does PTP have to do with anything? Other than Matchless, I haven't seen a PTP amp in decades.