VIDEO: Ceria Tone Plexi Super Lead 100

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70strathead":1xm1k1qn said:
sounds like what a real Marshall should sound like. excellent classic tone James. nice to hear stock Marshall clips vs. hot gain mods

Thanks man, it is refreshing. We're gonna do a vid next week with other cab combos and some pedals, maybe a variac.
 
mentoneman":2mvhvc3z said:
James Lugo":2mvhvc3z said:
glassjaw7":2mvhvc3z said:
donbarzini":2mvhvc3z said:
sounds better than most amps and probabaly costs less than a typical L.A. mod
There's something cool about an amp that has compression and saturation and "plays itself" so to speak, but like you said, this sounds better than most amps I hear clips of or play in person. Just good, pure tone. :thumbsup: The classic circuits will never go out of style!

But you know I have so many of those amps with master volumes and are easy to play, this is a whole other trip. Dan played it last night with his Tele through the Orange cab, it was the best I had ever heard him sound or play, it really brought out his thing on guitar, kind of Jeff Beck meets Joe Perry. It makes you play honest, no Line6 wanking allowed....lol

it isn't a very popular concept round these parts but i'd generally agree that more preamp distortion equals less tone. i mean by the very nature of it's definition recording anything with tons of "distortion" is like taking a picture of somebody cartwheeling through your frame at a gazillion miles an hour and hoping to capture what they were thinking about over breakfast this morning. it's a distorted perspective.

i enjoy supersoaker gain madness for fun and pretending to conjure images of fabio wielding excaliber on a flying white horse chopping heads off of dragons, but if you wanna hear the person breathing and see them street fighting, hand them a classic gtr plugged into a vintage amp.

paging steve vai.


Vai has to call his bitch EVH to haul his gear for him :lol: :LOL:
 
I never got that, Eddie is way more definitive and classic then Via. No competition, Eddie all the way.
 
James Lugo":svk6a7uz said:
I never got that, Eddie is way more definitive and classic then Via. No competition, Eddie all the way.

i knew i liked you :D

i can honestly say i've never spent one moment of my life trying to replicate any vai lick or tone,

yet i've spent a great deal of my guitar playing life trying to pick up eddie's solos and tone.

on the guitar playing impact on history chart, vai is like i'm floating on a raft in the deep end and he does a canonball from the shallow end.

eddie is like king kong ripping the pool out of the ground and dumping out all the water on the nearby power plant.
 
mentoneman":174b41en said:
James Lugo":174b41en said:
I never got that, Eddie is way more definitive and classic then Via. No competition, Eddie all the way.

i knew i liked you :D

i can honestly say i've never spent one moment of my life trying to replicate any vai lick or tone,

yet i've spent a great deal of my guitar playing life trying to pick up eddie's solos and tone.

on the guitar playing impact on history chart, vai is like i'm floating on a raft in the deep end and he does a canonball from the shallow end.

eddie is like king kong ripping the pool out of the ground and dumping out all the water on the nearby power plant.

Well yes we can live in 1975 through 1980 and revel in what Eddie did, no doubt he set the bar to the next level for all others to follow. The next progression in rock guitar.

After 1984 he was as accurate as a scud missle being lauched off of a camel drawn wagon..............days of past lore are just that which is a shame. If presented that same plexi from the days Ed would probably look like a teenager in the back seat of his parents car.

Scared and defeated :lol: :LOL:

Love ya Pat :D
 
Digital Jams":3rtha1xw said:
mentoneman":3rtha1xw said:
James Lugo":3rtha1xw said:
I never got that, Eddie is way more definitive and classic then Via. No competition, Eddie all the way.

i knew i liked you :D

i can honestly say i've never spent one moment of my life trying to replicate any vai lick or tone,

yet i've spent a great deal of my guitar playing life trying to pick up eddie's solos and tone.

on the guitar playing impact on history chart, vai is like i'm floating on a raft in the deep end and he does a canonball from the shallow end.

eddie is like king kong ripping the pool out of the ground and dumping out all the water on the nearby power plant.

Well yes we can live in 1975 through 1980 and revel in what Eddie did, no doubt he set the bar to the next level for all others to follow. The next progression in rock guitar.

You can say that about anyone, Mozart for God sakes. To me Via never had any real impact on radio rock styles, the sound of guitar on the radio didn't change after Eat-Em And Smile it did after VH1 and then again after Fair Warning. Eddie blew the world away, IMO no one has touched him since. And I'm not talking instrumental nerd music I'm talking the radio. Most of the shredding of the 80's was derived from VH in one way or another, feel, tone, riffs etc...
 
James Lugo":1et2klgj said:
Digital Jams":1et2klgj said:
mentoneman":1et2klgj said:
James Lugo":1et2klgj said:
I never got that, Eddie is way more definitive and classic then Via. No competition, Eddie all the way.

i knew i liked you :D

i can honestly say i've never spent one moment of my life trying to replicate any vai lick or tone,

yet i've spent a great deal of my guitar playing life trying to pick up eddie's solos and tone.

on the guitar playing impact on history chart, vai is like i'm floating on a raft in the deep end and he does a canonball from the shallow end.

eddie is like king kong ripping the pool out of the ground and dumping out all the water on the nearby power plant.

Well yes we can live in 1975 through 1980 and revel in what Eddie did, no doubt he set the bar to the next level for all others to follow. The next progression in rock guitar.

You can say that about anyone, Mozart for God sakes. To me Via never had any real impact on radio rock styles, the sound of guitar on the radio didn't change after Eat-Em And Smile it did after VH1 and then again after Fair Warning. Eddie blew the world away, IMO no one has touched him since. And I'm not talking instrumental nerd music I'm talking the radio. Most of the shredding of the 80's was derived from VH in one way or another, feel, tone, riffs etc...
Amen...Eddie wrote the hard rock guitar bible in 2 weeks while recording VH1. The following three VH albums where added chapters.

James the amp sounds great!
 
Oh man we just cranked it up and Dan played and I played drums. That amp is sick. The rhythm sound is just perfect and the lead scream, I can't wait to experiment with some pedals for a little added overdrive for solos. I'm taking it in in the morning to Freidman to give it the once over. I love it.

What overdrive pedals do you guys use with Plexi's?
 
bravedude2":33xe1ifi said:
on your next clip, could you talk more? :confused:

I'm not sure but that sounds like an insult. The talking is to explain the process in recording that lead up to the sound produced. To me it's very helpful to see what goes on especially if it's not just a 57 in the cone. I think it can be helpful to people that are new at recording obviously it wasn't helpful for you. For me if someone explains the process of how they got the sound it makes listening to the sound that much more beneficial.

J
 
James Lugo":1ifeyw3s said:
bravedude2":1ifeyw3s said:
on your next clip, could you talk more? :confused:

I'm not sure but that sounds like an insult. The talking is to explain the process in recording that lead up to the sound produced. To me it's very helpful to see what goes on especially if it's not just a 57 in the cone. I think it can be helpful to people that are new at recording obviously it wasn't helpful for you. For me if someone explains the process of how they got the sound it makes listening to the sound that much more beneficial.

J
Aw, there you go being all logical and shit, James. WTF is the matter with you, anyway?. ;) Mr. Lugo is well known for the descriptive dialogue about the gear first, fine by me, then I don't listen to the clip and go "WTF was used for that recording? It sounded like A$$!" So I applaud his efforts.

99.9% of the youtube video demos you hear tell you nothing about the gear except "My Les Paul, my Marshall, my cab...whaddya think?"

Most Marshall cabs look the same from the outside, you have no clue about the speakers (which make up a big part of the tone) inside. The pickups and pots in the guitar matter, too, as well as the amp/tubes/settings.

To bravedude2: If you have a better, more informative way of doing this type of demo video, by all means I invite you to superpass Mr. Lugo's efforts. Let's see what you've got, sir.

And if you don't...then please don't post your negative thoughts, OK? Thanks.
 
James Lugo":2haefqan said:
What overdrive pedals do you guys use with Plexi's?

You need to at least try a treble booster/ range master. The more primitive the better with germanium in the guts. Just something done old school nothing "improved".
 
James Lugo":k6z0s7ok said:
Digital Jams":k6z0s7ok said:
mentoneman":k6z0s7ok said:
James Lugo":k6z0s7ok said:
I never got that, Eddie is way more definitive and classic then Via. No competition, Eddie all the way.

i knew i liked you :D

i can honestly say i've never spent one moment of my life trying to replicate any vai lick or tone,

yet i've spent a great deal of my guitar playing life trying to pick up eddie's solos and tone.

on the guitar playing impact on history chart, vai is like i'm floating on a raft in the deep end and he does a canonball from the shallow end.

eddie is like king kong ripping the pool out of the ground and dumping out all the water on the nearby power plant.

Well yes we can live in 1975 through 1980 and revel in what Eddie did, no doubt he set the bar to the next level for all others to follow. The next progression in rock guitar.

You can say that about anyone, Mozart for God sakes. To me Via never had any real impact on radio rock styles, the sound of guitar on the radio didn't change after Eat-Em And Smile it did after VH1 and then again after Fair Warning. Eddie blew the world away, IMO no one has touched him since. And I'm not talking instrumental nerd music I'm talking the radio. Most of the shredding of the 80's was derived from VH in one way or another, feel, tone, riffs etc...
As far as radio/Top 40 is concerned...Beat It opened the door for Rock solos in Budweiser commercials, etc...
so yeah no matter what one thinks about EVH now...he gets damn near th same props as Jimi in my book.
 
I dont mind the talking myself, pretty cool seeing what is going on in the studio. Loading up the tape deck was really cool :thumbsup:
 
Digital Jams":2so5xz4q said:
I dont mind the talking myself, pretty cool seeing what is going on in the studio. Loading up the tape deck was really cool :thumbsup:

The tape really smoothed the top end out and gave it it's true 3D sound. Tape and Marshal=Yummy.

p.s. I miss your old avatar, that was a cool pic, always hit me.
 
James Lugo":37xjaptz said:
Oh man we just cranked it up and Dan played and I played drums. That amp is sick. The rhythm sound is just perfect and the lead scream, I can't wait to experiment with some pedals for a little added overdrive for solos. I'm taking it in in the morning to Freidman to give it the once over. I love it.

What overdrive pedals do you guys use with Plexi's?

man....it took me a while to experiment with my signal chain to find the right pieces. i had some pretty good success with a dynacomp for spongy squishy touch, into a tonebone classic for front edge tone and attack shaping, into an isp decimator to shave off the noise (mostly the dynacomp noise) into my cranked peacemaker. my barber tone press comp is way quieter, but the warmth of the dyancomp offset the brightness of the marshall circuit just right.

the real fun started when i added the hotplate to bring down the volume..100 untamed watts into a 4x12 always felt a bit too woofy and outta control...and pulled the line out of the hotplate, into a delay, into a second amp/ cab. there is so much more dimension and clarity that way, and i could taper back on the front end pedal drive and allow a cleaner tone to happen, and rely more on the delay to sustain things.
 
here's what the peacemaker, which is basically a refined plexi with cleaner tighter punch, sounded like cranked up enough to get the marshall roar behind the chords, with my little dyna/tonebone/isp rig in front. zachman added his earlier version 2290/pcm70 rack rig into the equation for a w/d/w tone employing my bogner uberkab and his 2 marshall 4x12s loaded with hellatones. one 57 per cab. he's playing his evh replica with the GMW neck and evh duncan pu, and has the dynacomp and tonebone gains pretty high to achieve his zach attack! :

ZVH plays PM

same basic peacemaker rig going more for the brown sound, less tonebone and dynacomp gain, two tubes pulled from peacemaker to drop volume and crank power section, some hotplate -8 action, one 58 my uberkab for dry, and replex delay instead of zachrack feeding my coyote head, into a gh30 1x12 with a 57. fender strat with evh pu:

pull 2 tubes

and finally peacemaker pretty raw, set just on the breakup verge, maybe a hint of dynacomp/no tonebone-isp/strat with 2 stock sc's in neck/middle and tone zone in bridge:

sunshine
 
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